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  • 1.  gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    I'm not tuning full time and driving all over the place, but back when I did, and we had a massive increase in gas prices, along with a lot of other tuners, I increased my tuning fee to pay for the added expense. Since then, however, the price of gas has gone down, but as far as I know, no one lowered their fee. 

    My question to all of you working full time, since we've had an increase of almost $1 per gallon, have you increased your fee, and will you lower it when gas prices go down again?

    (Please, no political discussions)

    Wim



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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    St. Augustine, FL 32095
    Wim@Tnrwim.com
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  • 2.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago
    For some yes, others likely no.
    Same logic holds for similar (recent)  conversations regarding the costs of receiving purchased items and the prices for shipping and handling. 






  • 3.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    I have never increased prices based solely on the cost of gas. This is usually just one factor among others that spur a price increase. 

    The steep gas prices that we saw a few years ago became, in my thinking, "the last straw" that forced my prices up. In 48 years I have never reduced my fees. 

    FWIW



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    Gerry Johnston
    Haverhill, MA
    gj@gjpianotuner.com
    www.gjpianotuner.com
    (978) 372-2250
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  • 4.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    By the way: like you, Wim, I no longer work full time - more like 15-20 hours a week. 



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    Gerry Johnston
    Haverhill, MA
    gj@gjpianotuner.com
    www.gjpianotuner.com
    (978) 372-2250
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  • 5.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    I'm with Gerry. The fee goes up based on numerous factors, and does not come back down. However, for exceptionally long distances incurred by request, I will add accordingly, and also according to the specific circumstances. 

    A little backward math I did a while back showed that my fee has experienced an annual average increase of a little less than 5% per year since beginning in 1975. Technically speaking I'm due for another increase. We will see...

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 6.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    I have heard economists recently say that the price of gas is very visible, so people react to it, but their psychological reaction isn't really justified by the actual effect on their finances.  Here's the math that very roughly reflects the current situation.  Suppose your car gets 20 mpg.  At $3/gal, the cost for fuel is 15 cents a mile, and at $4/gal it's 20 cents a mile.  That seems like a dramatic increase, and for someone with marginal finances it might be significant, but the thing to focus on is the difference, which is 5 cents a mile.  If you drove 40 miles for each customer on a particular day (way above the average for me), it would be $2 extra per customer.  With the rates that we charge, would anyone consider that enough to pass on to the customer?  The price increase for gasoline is likely to be only for a period of months. 

    I remember from a discussion about credit card fees that a lot of folks just consider that a general business expense and don't add it to the bill, whereas I do.  For a standard tuning fee, the credit card fee is very roughly $5.  I prefer checks and cash.

    Without getting into politics, I think it's interesting that there is often a lot of public commentary on gasoline prices, but practically none about the cost of insurance, which to me seems outlandish.  It has gone up way faster than inflation.

    I'm glad that I now own a Chevy Bolt, which costs on average over the year about 3 cents a mile to drive for the "fuel."  Of course, it's not as handy for long trips, but 95% of my driving is powered by just plugging it into the wall in my garage.  It holds all of my tools.  I even fit my piano tilter in it for a job last week.  






  • 7.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    I'm with Loren. While the cost of gas has gone up, it's not a huge impact on my business -- but it could be a big deal if one is running very minimal margins. 

    For me, I raise my prices in November or December every year based on the inflation rate for that year, and then I round up to the next $5 mark. This gives me enough breathing room to survive the small fluctuations of things like gas prices (or egg prices, for that matter). But if there's a big change in a specific area (the tariffs on imported parts, for example), I will do a mid-year reevaluation if necessary. Other than that, it's just a yearly adjustment for me. This method has worked well for me for that last decade, and the rounding up to the next $5 mark gives me a bit of a raise in addition to the cost of living adjustments.



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    (256) 947-9999
    www.professional-piano-services.com
    www.FromZeroToSixFiguresBook.com
    www.PianoCraftTechnicalSchool.com
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  • 8.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    Loren

    Your calculations make a lot of sense. Based on today's tuning fees, it does not seem to have much of an effect on our rates. But the last time we had a big price increase in gas was about 20 or 25 years ago, when our fees were less than half of what we're charging now, so the percentages were higher.

    I raise my prices once a year on January 1st. I used to increase them just a few dollars back in the 80's, and then $5 in the 00's. But now I go up $10 every two years. For those of you who are reluctant to increase your fees, don't be afraid. One year I went up $15, and I didn't miss a beat. My regular customers paid the increase without complaint, and my new customers didn't know what I charged before, so they accepted my new fee.

    Wim 

     





  • 9.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago

    A good friend of mine raised his price from $200 to $250 in one year - a 25% increase. He said only one person noticed but didn't care. He also said that year has been his busiest to date, so I'd say it's worked out well for him.

    I've heard that same story from several different people. In every case, most clients don't notice or care. I think we worry about raising our prices a lot more than we should. Price increases are part of life, and everyone understands that. 



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    (256) 947-9999
    www.professional-piano-services.com
    www.FromZeroToSixFiguresBook.com
    www.PianoCraftTechnicalSchool.com
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  • 10.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    I lucked out today.  I stopped for fuel.  After I fueled up, the price jumped another 12 cent/gal!!  The pumped changed right after I stopped pumping!!

    I don't see this ending soon, but I am thankful my price was "only" a dollar more than a few weeks ago.

    I don't change my prices much as I'm a full time CAUT. But still may need to raise a bit more as this rediculous situation continues. I continue to tune for a few faculty and friend's home pianos. I don't want to punish them any further than we are all getting screwed by oil companies and all that it involves. 

    Paul
    Paul






  • 11.  RE: gas money

    Posted 15 days ago

    I don't think gas is a major expense for our type of service. My last gas car got 28Hwy/17city (bad, I know) and at 20k miles per year, that was roughly 1000 gallons of gas per year. 

    An increase of $1/gal is $1000/yr. 

    That car cost me $8200/yr in payments, and averaged about $3000/yr in repairs after the third year when the extended warranty expired, so $11,200/yr for years 4-6. Once it was paid off I got something less expensive to operate. 

    What's more important is factoring in the cost of not only ownership but replacement into your pricing. 

    If you want a new $50,000 car (let's assume off the lot price) every 5 years, assuming the residual value of the previous car is $10,000, you'd need to bill an extra $10,000/year for a car reserve. 

    That's comes out to $35/day, assuming 46 work weeks at 5 days per week. 

    Gas? Not the big expense here imo...yymv (your mileage may vary)



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    Vincent Chambers

    Apollo Piano | Stanford
    San Francisco, Chico CA
    (530) 924-4469 Mobile; 732-642-1100
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  • 12.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 14 days ago

    Appreciate everyone's insights here. As self-employed technicians, fuel is only a small part of our true costs. Unpaid vacation and sick time, retirement, insurance, taxes (sole prop or S-corp), tools, and vehicle expenses all have to be built into our fees. Rather than reacting to gas prices going up or down, I think it's healthier to plan from the big picture-decide what the business needs to earn, including a reasonable profit, and price services accordingly. If fuel costs are significantly impacting the business, it may indicate that fees aren't fully reflecting the value of our professional work. 



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    Elisha Katamura RPT
    Katamura Piano Service
    Fresno, CA
    (559)765-7373
    https://www.katamurapianoservice.com/
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  • 13.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 14 days ago

    I honestly don't see the need to raise my rates based on the price of gas. I drive a Corolla Hybrid. I get 53.6 miles to the gallon. Tax deductible business mileage for 2026 is 0.725/mile. That means for every business gallon of gas I use I'm able to deduct about $38.86 on my taxes. That's almost a full tank at today's Los Angeles prices, and more than enough to cover the normal maintenance that is not deductible. However, if I am foolish enough to accept a job that is more than about an hour away I will charge my normal hourly rate for travel time. 



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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 14.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago

    Of course, gas is only one aspect of inflationary pressure. If you haven't been raising your prices over the past 10 years, you're earning a significant amount less than you were 10 years ago when you take inflation into account.

    Many of us don't like to raise prices for fear of losing customers. But the sad reality is in order to keep up with the rate of inflation, especially since Covid our prices should be increasing high gasoline prices or not. 



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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 15.  RE: gas money

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago

    I have to agree that the cost of gasoline alone is not a good reason to raise my price, but -

    The cost of gasoline and particularly diesel is raising the price of nearly everything I buy. 

    The cost of gasoline is one of the easiest reasons for customers to understand why I'm raising my price. 

    Not to mention I am paying $1.30 more per gallon in Washington State than the national average. 



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    David Stocker, RPT
    Olympia WA
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