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  • 1.  If the music crash hasn't come to your area yet, be assured, it will and what we can do about it.

    Posted 13 days ago

    It was with horror but actually no surprise to find that one of the city orchestras in arguably one of the most cultured and academic cities in the  world has closed in the UK - for lack of audience. The orchestra outnumbered the audience - https://theviolinchannel.com/englands-city-of-oxford-orchestra-gives-final-concert

    Music simply isn't being taught and it's not appreciated. Rumour tells me that Steinway Hamburg is down to a four day working week.

    Why? Music has become uninteresting and classical music now competes with electronics and relaxing ASMR sequences of notes, healing bells, and the maximum exposure in night clubs appealing only to the animal rhythms of our species.

    In editing the recording of the concert last weekend, I realised there was a shocking modulation. Apologies for posting it again but on account of the title of the thread which was tongue in cheek people might not have clicked on it. It's at the end of the phrase starting https://youtu.be/Bf_ZqCb-wms?t=2908

    I don't say that this is musically historic, nor musically right, but it sure makes the audience sit up and be shaken out of indifference. It provides a pausal landmark within the piece and has a most important effect. In normal tuning, or less obvious, the casual listener can pass right over the moment of modulation, of key change, and miss the excitement of a key change. It makes the audience sit up and take notice - and interest. It reaches the heart.

    With a tuning like this we can revive interest in music.

    Tim Foster has written elsewhere about the success that he's found with tuning my method and another colleague wrote to me for details to tune a Steinway Model O as an experiment. A good musician tried it in his shop and said that of all the pianos she would buy in the shop, it would be that instrument.

    Harmonic unequal temperament tuning can sell pianos . . . . 

    If someone is in touch with a Steinway showroom or the factory please can you tell them?

    Best wishes

    David P



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    David Pinnegar BSc ARCS
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  • 2.  RE: If the music crash hasn't come to your area yet, be assured, it will and what we can do about it.

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago
    It was hard to appreciate any subtleties in the tuning when there were some poor unisons, such as on (I think) C#5.




  • 3.  RE: If the music crash hasn't come to your area yet, be assured, it will and what we can do about it.

    Posted 12 days ago
    Thanks - apologies for poor unisons. It had been tuned the night before with a change of temperature and practiced upon not only with the Rachmaninoff but also the Gubaudulina. In addition this is a Bechstein of 1885 and the octave of C6 has the usual false strings typical of Bechstein tone. Another factor may be at work as the recording was made on magnetic tape and the test frequency 440 on transcription for the video was varying between 439.7 and 440.2, giving a subtle vibrato or "wow" to the pitch and possibly giving an illusion of unison issues.

    However, the modulation at the end of the phrase https://youtu.be/Bf_ZqCb-wms?t=2914 is clear.

    https://youtu.be/Bf_ZqCb-wms?t=3095 is another passage where the change of tonality with modulation is a hair-on-your-back sticking-up moment.

    In discussions of temperament many are frightened to depart from at most a near-equal and perhaps a Young might be considered adventurous. This isn't anywhere equal - it's Kirnberger III with 7-8 perfect fifths in the scale and as far removed from equal that can be achieved for a generally satisfactory performance temperament.

    The twist away from equal and with pure fifths gives an authenticity to the almost Maqam oud sound achieved in https://youtu.be/C3w7cgwG6-E?t=1841 and again made the audience sit up

    The test for a tuning is the worst interval to be expected at the beginning of the Chopin Raindrop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-nvS5m8cko&t=3772s. Any wider than this and in my opinion it becomes unpleasant. https://youtu.be/t-nvS5m8cko?t=3590 in my opinion brings a beauty of sound which conventional tuning cannot achieve. 

    Within these bounds of avoiding unpleasant sounds, whilst perhaps the effects aren't entirely audible for colleagues here the audiences really are noticing the difference. and the four pieces at https://youtu.be/90964qqS3Q0?t=1163 are a more obvious example.

    Another factor to bear in mind is that I'm not tuning for an "in your face" explosion of horrible intervals but to be audible enough but possibly in a subliminal way. It might be that because the effect is subliminal it's not obvious on recordings depending on what equipment is being used for listening - and that's a variable over which I have no control - but the audience experiencing the real vibrations in real life has a very visceral experience, possibly being in part hypnotised.

    The hypnotic effect is demonstrated by examples of the Brahms A Major violin sonata, written on the shores of lake Tun. On first listening one hears a piece we've all heard time and time again but I've now tuned for a few performances:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7AoF3zvcaI Kellner (2016) (immediately after a 440-432 pitch change if anyone wants to complain about unisons) 

    On all three occasions having thought "Oh no I've heard this before" I've fallen into a trance seeing the mirror smooth lake, birds flying overhead, leaves dancing and waves lapping at the shore, and in the 2024 concert not only real thunder but thunder of the music rolling around the mountains.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this is that if the strong effect can be masked by a less than perfect unison or so and is subliminal but can engage audiences . . . it's not such a radical change so really worth trying. 

    Perhaps the measure of hypnotism is in the extent to which audiences are stunned and don't immediately clap:

    We need our music to hypnotise our audiences more.

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 4.  RE: If the music crash hasn't come to your area yet, be assured, it will and what we can do about it.

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 8 days ago

    Honestly Mr. Cole. To comment on a thread about how much difference a particular tuning style can make by pointing out that the piano is out of tune hardly seems fair. :>)



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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 5.  RE: If the music crash hasn't come to your area yet, be assured, it will and what we can do about it.

    Posted 7 days ago
    Dear Karl

    Thanks so much for your thoughts.

    If a tuner tells me that the perceived failure of unisons masks the effect of the temperament on the penultimate chord of the phrase at https://youtu.be/NKVtB-aNdJU?t=898 it tends to tell me something about their perception of tuning rather than the quality of mine.

    There are two aspects here, the first being that this is a 140 year old instrument which poses challenges in precision rather than a modern concert Steinway on which my work is competent enough https://youtu.be/Nq9sb4t3N6o?t=4523 or modern Yamaha https://youtu.be/_52SJEgY2YU?t=1998 or Fazioli https://youtu.be/mnTDkj5dYYc?t=1636 or other less prestigious instrument https://youtu.be/RXymuml03pE?t=1332 even when played in the evening but tuned in the baking heat of a mediterranean afternoon. These examples were all to my variation of Kellner - and the latter example demonstrating particular suitability for duet playing although for concert work I've now migrated to Kirnberger III.

    The second aspect is that in equal temperament there are beats all over the place and as a result fuzziness of sound is a matter of degree of toleration rather than one of great exactitude of detection. It's for this reason that many people have to ask whether their instruments require tuning as they can't hear it. As soon as you move to a tuning system involving many really pure fifths and some clear pure thirds, inexactitudes either of intervals or of unisons are really shown up glaringly. For this reason I take Scott's criticisms of my unisons in the Hammerwood 1885 Bechstein recordings as a compliment to the clarity of the temperament rather than a criticism of my tuning.

    If anyone enjoys the recordings to which I place links in posts some favourites of mine, in Kirnberger III include
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH1dhrPGHoI Rachmaninov on Steinway B possibly sounding more like a Model C or Model D, although I prefer the Hammewood Bechstein performancehttps://youtu.be/aIVUyu7v48U?t=1893 Liszt Apres une lecture de Dante
    https://youtu.be/aIVUyu7v48U?t=393 Fauré (and the  Debussy before)
    https://youtu.be/9fvJ_8DtDwk Gershwin arranged by Earl Wilde
    https://youtu.be/MNRA9GO1A_A?t=1850 Liszt Val d'Obermann (please criticise unisons here - 1859 Iron Concert Grand Broadwood)
    https://youtu.be/z9V4vlgDaks?t=148 Bach C#minor prelude sounding like a Cimbalom
    Kreisler and Lily Boulanger https://youtu.be/JvrGV58ZsAU?t=2812 (Kellner at this venue)
    Bach Prelude F#mi and other Baroque https://youtu.be/90964qqS3Q0?t=1345

    Audiences are addicted. I'm addicted. And perhaps I hope that some colleagues here might find likewise. 

    Oh - and it's good for the piano business too!

    Best wishes

    David P







  • 6.  RE: If the music crash hasn't come to your area yet, be assured, it will and what we can do about it.

    Posted 5 days ago
    Doing more research on Rachmaninoff and unequal temperament I found that Carl Radford
    has come to the same conclusion.

    Research of Rachmaninoff's two editions of the 2nd Sonata is interesting

    The C major chord penultimate in the phrase at https://youtu.be/NKVtB-aNdJU?t=900 shone out, as far as I was concerned, as a moment where the chord was specifically chosen for affect in unequal tuning. In the second edition it's at the bottom of page 19 of the score. In the first edition, on page 27 featuring the phrase, the sequence lands on an E major chord without the inclusion of the previous C major. It was added. Why? 

    At a Cannes Film Festival I attended a seminar by Martin Scorsese who gave the advice "work towards a moment - and then move on". How we experience this phrase in unequal temperament might appear to be one of those moments.

    For years I've noticed that Rachmaninoff works well with unequal tuning and have been delighted to find Carl coming to the same conclusion. Has anyone any more evidence than merely our hunches?

    By the way - Scott - I'm much impressed. In going to the instrument to test the effect of the phrase ending I went to the piano used in performance and, oh dear, that C# unison is out. You were right.

    Best wishes

    David P


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  • 7.  RE: If the music crash hasn't come to your area yet, be assured, it will and what we can do about it.

    Posted 2 days ago
    Doing more research on the history of the Rachmaninoff 2nd Sonata I stumbled upon recordings by Horowitz
    and 

    For Android there's a very useful app available called "Harmonic Tuner". One version has a temperament detector.

    For a long time I've been saying that tuning has changed since the days of my youth and that it has been murdered by reference to electronic measurements based upon 12th root of 2 as is the basis of the professional exams. This tuning has killed the colours of music.

    Applying Harmonic Tuner to the Horowitz recordings the detector finds that the tuning used deviates from equal - and veers towards Sorge, Neidhardt and Silbermann.

    Best wishes

    David P


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