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Pricing for surplus divestiture

  • 1.  Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2025 15:44

    We have a Hubbard double 5 ¼ 8va. Looks like a Franco-Flemish.

    Transposing I assume 415/440. 92" in length, probably late 70's or early 80's.

    It was built as part of a class by a former early music professor.

    Simple case and trestle with a square rosette, papered on the inside of the rim and above the keyboard.

    It has problems that would cost more to fix than it's worth.

    We want to divest it, and that must be done through surplus.

    Any suggestions on how much to ask as a reserve price?

    TIA.

    Dave



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    Dave Conte, RPT

    Piano Technician in Residence
    The University of Tennessee
    College of Music
    Knoxville TN
    (817) 307-5656
    Owner: Rocky Top Piano
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  • 2.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2025 16:36
    Dave

    It would seem that if the department wants to dispose of the instrument that has no practical use nor value, that a letter from you stating that the piano has no value would satisfy the bean counters. You might also include in your letter that there are no funds in the budget to repair or restore the instrument. 

    Wim





  • 3.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2025 16:55
    Wim,

    Thanks for your suggestion. My hands are tied. 
    This must go to surplus to be auctioned off. I need a reserve amount to list it. 

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    Dave Conte, RPT, CCT
    Owner, Rocky Top Piano
    Knoxville, TN
    817-307-5656







  • 4.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Posted 03-04-2025 17:43

    I think this is a common case of owners and Tech's not realizing what they got. Hubbard is a respectable brand. Granted the homebuilt kits could be of a lesser quality.but everything in a harpsichord of that make can be restored and / or replaced. The company is still in business btw. Their French Double currently listed is $23,000.

    -chris



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  • 5.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2025 18:04
    Chris,
    I agree the instrument may be of some value, though one can be put together so badly as to be difficult to salvage.

    However, though Hubbard may appear to be in business - the website is still up, so someone is paying for that to happen - in fact, Hubbard is no longer a going concern. Phone calls and emails have not been answered for years. The website was last changed in 2003. Parts are not available, not even so simple a thing as tongues (HCH had some for a while, no idea whether they will again - backordered for months).

    So you couldn't just order a couple jack registers and the jacks to go with them, if those were badly mangled - a common problem with kit instruments. 

    There are workarounds for those with the skills, but we all need to be clear that there is a real dearth of parts and supplies for harpsichords in the US. Zuckermann seems to be the only game in town. Far different than 20 years ago.

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  • 6.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-05-2025 07:42

    Thanks, Chris. 

    I have been instructed to divest the instrument. It must go to auction and can't be sold directly. 



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    Dave Conte, RPT

    Piano Technician in Residence
    The University of Tennessee
    College of Music
    Knoxville TN
    (817) 307-5656
    Owner: Rocky Top Piano
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  • 7.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2025 18:10
    I guess to answer Dave's question about a reserve amount, I might put something like $500. If I saw it, I might put $2000, depending what the problems were, and assuming a reasonably nice finish. 

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    http://fredsturm.net
    www.artoftuning.com
    "One's real life is so often the life that one does not lead" (Oscar Wilde)






  • 8.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2025 19:34
    Pick a number out of the air, less than $250. No one knows. It will be auctioned off for whatever the audience can afford.





  • 9.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-05-2025 13:47
    I would look at the harpsichord clearing house site, try to find a similar instrument or two, and base your reserve on the price of those; subtract for the defects your instrument has, of course.  Even if it is far from accurate, you'll have something to show and defend should that be necessary.
    You're being asked to come up with a number based on insufficient information.  Just do the best you can.
    Ken

    Www.kenwalkup.com





  • 10.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Posted 03-05-2025 16:45

    Dave, you say "It has problems that would cost more to fix than it's worth."

    This would indicate it has a $0 value.

    What are those problems?

    In general, harpsichords only sell for top value when they are in excellent condition, and many 70s and 80s vintage harpsichords have significant problems with failing plastic jacks and case warpage. These can be very expensive to repair.

    Some photos might help evaluate the instrument.

    If the sale is not advertised through harpsichord websites, what chance is there that anyone knowledgeable will bid?



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  • 11.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-05-2025 22:24

    Ed, worth and cost are strange concepts. I tune pianos where the cost of the tuning is more than the piano is worth. Should  I refuse to service them?



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  • 12.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-06-2025 08:58
    In the case of a church, I certainly let the customer know in the situations where purchasing a keyboard once for the cost of my tuning would be a better use of the customer’s money. And there comes a time in the maintenance of a piano or car or any product when the discussion should be had as to whether further maintenance is a good use of funds. But there are many shades of grey in these decisions.

    —Cy—




  • 13.  RE: Pricing for surplus divestiture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-06-2025 08:04
    Ed,

    Thanks for your input. We have to assign a value to list it. 
    This is done on Deals.gov. Policy only allows for listing on this site. 
    No social media. It is what it is. But even to eventually write off the 
    instrument and junk it, procedures must be followed and in this case 
    it must first be put up at auction. 

    There is a little drizzle of interest in harpsichords and period instruments
    surrounding the main campus of The University of Tennessee. I think it
    might sell and the bean counters here want to capitalize on it. We'll see. 



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    Dave Conte, RPT, CCT
    Owner, Rocky Top Piano
    Knoxville, TN
    817-307-5656