Pianotech

I don't use Tunelab regularly, but went hunting and found:

In the gear settings, find the Phase display speed. I believe the default is 1.00, but the range goes from .33 to 3.05.  If you feel a 'lag' in the display during the first pass, move this to a larger number and see how the display reacts? If you feel that there is some jitter, move to a lower number. Sometimes the display at the bottom is the best way to move quickly to "close enough" for the first pass.

When you are moving on to fine tuning, move this number way down to .33 and watch how the display reacts. At this speed, you should be in the "nudge a little" zone to get as close to 0 as you would like to be. Nudge, watch, nudge, watch and keep playing at the appropriate tuning zone speed.

Here is the display stability on an old M&H 50 upright

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DgFeJWv97LA\

Think of it like driving a stick shift coming off the highway and staying in a high gear. As the vehicle slows and the gas is pressed, the engine bucks and sputters (jitter). Instead of trying to drive like that at low speeds, the solution is to shift to a lower gear.

Adjusting the sensitivity is like shifting gears - although it is often buried behind a few taps into the settings. As you get much closer to the tuning target, selecting a lower gear (slower response) can really help stabilize the display and allow for finer tuning.

I found similar settings in Verituner, Cybertuner and Pianoscope. The recommendation for PianoMeter at this point is to ignore the needle during fine tuning and focus on the rings.

Ron Koval

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Ron Koval
CHICAGO IL
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Ron, in Verituner would this be the "frame rate"? If so, what does moving that from normal to slower do? If not, then which setting are you talking about?

Thanks

~S

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Steven Rosenthal RPT
Honolulu HI
(808) 521-7129
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I don't use Tunelab regularly, but went hunting and found:

In the gear settings, find the Phase display speed. I believe the default is 1.00, but the range goes from .33 to 3.05.  If you feel a 'lag' in the display during the first pass, move this to a larger number and see how the display reacts? If you feel that there is some jitter, move to a lower number. Sometimes the display at the bottom is the best way to move quickly to "close enough" for the first pass.

When you are moving on to fine tuning, move this number way down to .33 and watch how the display reacts. At this speed, you should be in the "nudge a little" zone to get as close to 0 as you would like to be. Nudge, watch, nudge, watch and keep playing at the appropriate tuning zone speed.

Here is the display stability on an old M&H 50 upright

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DgFeJWv97LA\

Think of it like driving a stick shift coming off the highway and staying in a high gear. As the vehicle slows and the gas is pressed, the engine bucks and sputters (jitter). Instead of trying to drive like that at low speeds, the solution is to shift to a lower gear.

Adjusting the sensitivity is like shifting gears - although it is often buried behind a few taps into the settings. As you get much closer to the tuning target, selecting a lower gear (slower response) can really help stabilize the display and allow for finer tuning.

I found similar settings in Verituner, Cybertuner and Pianoscope. The recommendation for PianoMeter at this point is to ignore the needle during fine tuning and focus on the rings.

Ron Koval

I don't use Tunelab regularly, but went hunting and found:

In the gear settings, find the Phase display speed. I believe the default is 1.00, but the range goes from .33 to 3.05.  If you feel a 'lag' in the display during the first pass, move this to a larger number and see how the display reacts? If you feel that there is some jitter, move to a lower number. Sometimes the display at the bottom is the best way to move quickly to "close enough" for the first pass.

When you are moving on to fine tuning, move this number way down to .33 and watch how the display reacts. At this speed, you should be in the "nudge a little" zone to get as close to 0 as you would like to be. Nudge, watch, nudge, watch and keep playing at the appropriate tuning zone speed.

Here is the display stability on an old M&H 50 upright

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DgFeJWv97LA\

Think of it like driving a stick shift coming off the highway and staying in a high gear. As the vehicle slows and the gas is pressed, the engine bucks and sputters (jitter). Instead of trying to drive like that at low speeds, the solution is to shift to a lower gear.

Adjusting the sensitivity is like shifting gears - although it is often buried behind a few taps into the settings. As you get much closer to the tuning target, selecting a lower gear (slower response) can really help stabilize the display and allow for finer tuning.

I found similar settings in Verituner, Cybertuner and Pianoscope. The recommendation for PianoMeter at this point is to ignore the needle during fine tuning and focus on the rings.

Ron Koval

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Ron Koval
CHICAGO IL
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IIUC the "phase display speed" in TuneLab only affects the top horizontal spinner (officially called the "phase display" in tunelab).  It doesn't do anything to the spectrum display or the numerical pitch readout.  That's just a point of clarification; per a recent comment from Robert Scott on pianoworld the phase display is in fact the weapon of choice for fine tuning except in the high treble.  I doubt he'll mind me copy-pasting it here:

Edit/P.S.: Another way to "tune" TuneLab to get a more stable display, is to fiddle with the table of partials.  I may try to experiment with that this evening if I have a moment...

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Nathan Monteleone RPT
Fort Worth TX
(817) 675-9494
nbmont@gmail.com
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