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  • 1.  Reconstructing bass bridge

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 15 days ago
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    Hello, I am going to reconstruct the bottom of the bass bridge on a 5'1" Schomacker baby I'm rebuilding. The original apron was damaged, and since I'd rather not have the apron anyway, I opted to remove it and reconstruct it. It's a straight bass bridge and I'll be moving forward slightly to shorten the speaking length and increase the back scale. Looking at the long bridge, it looks like a maple/mahogany laminate. There is a short tenor bridge which doesn't appear to be a capped laminate, but rather a solid piece of quarter sawn maple. It also has a hollow underneath (see photo), presumably to allow the soundboard to move more freely. I'm wondering if I should do something similar for the base of the bass bridge? I'm also wondering if I should have a laminate bass or solid one? Lastly, what grain orientation should I consider?

    I'm open to experimenting, but thought I'd ask this group first. Thank you!



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    Tim Foster RPT
    New Oxford PA
    (470) 231-6074
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  • 2.  RE: Reconstructing bass bridge

    Posted 15 days ago

    These days i tend to stay close to the original design and intent. The built in assumption that these early designers didn't know what they were doing is a hard pill to swallow. That back scale was thought out and put into place. And making changes has the risk of making it sound worse than the original did. If i'm not mistaken Schomacker emphasized gold plated bass strings. Those were iron wrapped with a gold plating. They iron wrap gives a more open a dark tone color, than a copper winding. I would be leaning towards a Paulello wire rescale of the bass to get that open sound rather than changing the structure of the soundboard layout. Changing a back scale on a small piano seems to offer a little bang for the buck. If a large piano had a backscale issue that prevented it from sounding like a big piano then making a change might be warranted. Just my thoughts.

    -chris



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  • 3.  RE: Reconstructing bass bridge

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 14 days ago

    I know that Del Fandrich has recommended this approach to rebuilding and rescaling the older short grands.  I'm not a rebuilder myself, but I remember his demonstrations of how removing the apron and having a simple bridge a bit further from the rear improved the tone and power of the low bass.  I suggest searching in the Journal for articles by Del on the subject.






  • 4.  RE: Reconstructing bass bridge

    Posted 13 days ago
    Please be aware that Del’s belly designs incorporate more than just moving a bridge here or there. I have remanufactured a number of piano bellies to Del’s wonderful design work and am acutely aware that in addition to dropping the apron and moving the bass bridge forward, such a design change usually includes cutting an area of the soundboard panel near the bass bridge free of the piano rim as well as changes to the dimensions and array of the ribs to properly support the new bridge location.

    I recommend talking to Del about your thoughts. I’m sure he will be happy to give you some recommendations.




  • 5.  RE: Reconstructing bass bridge

    Posted 13 days ago
    You might also consider something like what Ron Overs did to a Yamaha G2: https://www.overspianos.com.au/frameset.html






  • 6.  RE: Reconstructing bass bridge

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 13 days ago

    Undercutting the bass bridge is a reasonable idea.  Especially on a small piano there's no reason to stiffen the board more than you have to.  The typical procedure is undercutting the low end of the bass bridge back to where the foot rests above the rib but not beyond it.  

    Shortening the speaking length and increasing the backscale can have some benefits but probably has some costs as well forcing a larger diameter of the string itself. So I have mixed feelings on that one.  Certainly you will want minimal bearing on the bass bridge.

    Del has researched and written extensively on cantilevered bridges and the filtering problems that occur there. Whether Steinway was aware of that or not (I doubt it) I ithink the cantilevered bridge was simply an effort to increase string length while keeping the bridge foot as far from the rim as possible.  I don't think grain orientation on the bridge construction matters that much.  Obviously, Steinway bridge roots vary from bass to long bridge with vertical laminations in the long bridge but not on the bass bridge.  

    While I do think one should be mindful of making design changes on pianos for a variety of reasons, this might be a good piano to experiment on if you are so inclined.  Every time you build a board with your own ribscale even if it is ostensibly to just optimize what you believe might have been a faulty execution, you're making a design change of sorts.  How far can you go before it becomes a serious change that brings the original design into question people have to answer for themselves and that runs through every aspect of rebuilding from action leverage to choice of bass string scaling.   



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  • 7.  RE: Reconstructing bass bridge

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    David, thank you, this is really helpful. I took Del's class which discussed removing the apron, which is what emboldened me to remove the apron in the first place. 



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    Tim Foster RPT
    New Oxford PA
    (470) 231-6074
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