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  • 1.  Referrals

    Posted 01-18-2023 19:47
    How do you all handle referrals?  Sometimes a new customer will let me know that one of my previous customer's referred me to them.  What I am trying to do now is note that on my database so that I will remember to give them a discount the next time I tune.  I was thinking that 10 percent of my standard tuning fee would be a good referral gift.

    Just wanted to see what you all do...

    Thanks
    Patrick

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    Patrick Greene
    OWNER
    Knoxville TN
    (865) 384-6582
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  • 2.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-18-2023 20:09
    I tried doing that when I first got in the business. It was more trouble than of was worth. I just thank them and let it go. If a customer says something, I don’t make a big deal out of it, unless they insist that they get a discount. In that case give it to them just to keep the peace.

    Sent from my iPhone




  • 3.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-18-2023 21:00
    I think a genuine thank you is enough. But remember that work you do is a reflection on them, not you. So do excellent work. I sometimes give referrals for other professionals but it is MY reputation that's on the line. So I'm picky on who I refer people to.

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 4.  RE: Referrals

    Posted 01-19-2023 08:30
    Larry, I like that perspective!!

    Les Koltvedt
    (404) 631-7177
    LKPianos.com




  • 5.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-18-2023 21:18

    I record who made the referral in Gazelle using the "referred by" feature, but I don't give any kind of discount, just a genuine thank you the next time I see the referring client. 

    I don't like the idea of discounting. If so-and-so finds out you have their cousin a discount but not them they'll be mad, and that opens a whole can of worms. Another can of worms is building your business to attract the kind of people who will only call if there's a discount involved. The ideal clients are the ones who willingly schedule extra work and who don't complain when you raise your prices to compensate for double digit inflation. The discount crowd doesn't fit into that category. 

    The only exception to that rule in my business is either specific cases where I'm working for the client more as a ministry than for business, or the local dealership. I do floor tunings at a significant discount because (1) I can do a lot of them in a shorter amount of time, thus making up for the difference in price; (2) because the referrals the store gives me generally yield nice clients with new pianos who want regular service, so it works out in the long run; and (3) it's something to do during the slower seasons. But other than those two exceptions, I don't discount. 



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (256) 947-9999
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 6.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-18-2023 22:34
    I don't give discounts for referrals for the reasons mentioned by Benjamin.

    I have on occasion helped out a fellow tech when they were ill. Performance tunings that had to be done by a deadline. I then had the venue send the check to the sick tech that normally maintains those pianos. We are self employed, no sick days. If we don't work, we don't get paid. There are so few of us in this area that we are all friends.

    As to discounts: I will give discounts to those with multiple pianos if I can do them all in one trip or to those few professionals that have the piano tuned every 2-3 months.

    Nancy Salmon, RPT
    LaVale, MD 21502





  • 7.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-19-2023 00:18
    Many years ago, I replaced strings and such for an older tuner who was so busy that he only tuned; at some point he had a stroke and was no longer confident doing concert work and he turned that over to me though I don't think his work diminished at all, he really had a gift for tuning. 
    One day, probably in the 90's, he called me and asked me to tune a piano for a lady in Waikiki plus some small repair. He had a policy that he never raised his rates for widows (he'd married a "war-widow" in 1948). The customer had been a widow since 1964 when his tuning rate was $15. I was happy to it do not only for what he'd done for me but out of respect for this guy's old school work ethic and integrity.

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    Steven Rosenthal RPT
    Honolulu HI
    (808) 521-7129
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  • 8.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-19-2023 01:46
    I have tried to offer referrals and it gets complicated and sticky, customers would start expecting discounts or wanting to pass on discounts to friends or students.

    One thing I have done is occasionally give a teacher a discount in gratitude for many referrals.  This might need to be done tactfully, perhaps just offering a free service like voicing instead of a monetary discount.

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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 795-5170
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  • 9.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-19-2023 08:36
    One could send a simple thank you card to the person making the referral.  

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 10.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-19-2023 10:27

    Referral fees for a typical tuning business don't make much sense to me, simply because word-of-mouth is so integral to how most of us get business. Everyone would get discounts!

    It's easy to get into the discount mindset when starting out. "They'll like me better if I give discounts for this, that, and the other thing."  I've gotten away from discounting. It's a rabbit hole. My only "discount" is splitting mileage fees.

    I had a teacher recently that demanded a discount in return for referrals. She was the first to ask-I tune for a lot of teachers.

    I let that one go. 

    The concept of discounting might actually be a good business article subject for the Journal…



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    Scott Cole, RPT
    rvpianotuner.com
    Talent, OR
    (541-601-9033
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  • 11.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-19-2023 11:13

    In 41 years, I have only had a handful of people ask about a referral reward. Most didn't expect anything, just asked. I find people are acting out of gratitude towards me, and wishing good service to their friend when the recommend me. 

    Teachers are a different category. 

    I thought hard about it before I went to the MTNA national convention to represent the PTG. I told them I don't mind being asked about a discount, but it is generally a bad idea. If I am tuning for a discount, I will feel pressure to spend less time, not more. Pay me my standard fee and I will gladly spend a little extra time taking care of a problem. Teachers should want their piano to be in better condition than their students'. They expect me to be grateful for their imprimatur on my services to their students, and that will make me lots of money. I then explained most teachers have 20-40 students, and I might pickup a couple of them, for which I am grateful. I have more than 600 clients a year, and I am asked more than 40 times a year, "Do you know a good piano teacher?" I can make them more money than they can make me. I am happy to do so, because I am helping my client, the teacher, and the entire industry. 



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    David Stocker, RPT
    Olympia WA
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  • 12.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-19-2023 11:46
    Regarding teachers.

    Unfortunately, sometimes they are more trouble than they’re worth. The really good ones treat me with respect and pay my full fee. But most want a discount, promising to send me all sorts of customers, before I even tune their piano.

    And then, instead of spending the money to keep their piano on top condition, they don’t want spend the money, even at a discounted rate.

    There are exceptions, but I don’t have much respect for most of them. (And I’m married to one)

    Wim

    Sent from my iPhone




  • 13.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-19-2023 22:50

    Whenever I refer a friend, acquaintance, whatever, to someone, usually for non-piano work, it's because I want that person to get the best service they can and because I believe in the person I am referring them to. I really don't expect even a thank you from the person I'm referring them to. It's more important, to me, to learn that my friends were happy and that they agree that the person I referred them to did a good job. In other words, I'm not making the referral to please the person being referred to. I make it to please the person I am referring. In regards to my own business, I want my customers to treat me the same. I want them to like my work enough to refer their friends to me because they believe in me, and they want their friends to receive the same quality service. Not because they expect to receive thanks from me or to get paid for the referral. 

    I have found in my work that pretty much the only people that ever ask me for discounts for referrals are method teachers. Teachers that are not teaching method styles are almost always teaching because they love what they are doing and they want their students to love music, too. Method teachers, in my experience, are generally more money and award motivated. I routinely tell them no. They, in turn, seldom refer anyone to me and seldom bring me back to service their piano again. But sometimes they do. And I'm quite fine with that either way.

    The only discount I give is for servicing multiple pianos in the same household or location, on the same visit, or within, perhaps, a walk across the street when the two parties have scheduled their tunings back-to-back. If I have to get in my car to get to that additional piano there is (generally) no discount. My discount is 10% on all service provided on that visit. I have one customer that calls me to service three pianos for his family all on the same day. All very close. I give him the usual 10% discount. One time he started to barter with me for more of a discount. I asked him to please not barter with me. This is my already discounted fee. He smiled, paid me, and I still see him, and those three pianos regularly. 

    In my database I always make a note of how the customer found me. These days much of my business is usually word-of-mouth from a friend. The next time I see that referring customer I am frequently greeted with their thanks for having taken care of their friend, who was quite happy with my work. However, if they don't bring it up I do, and thank them for the referral. 



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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 14.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-20-2023 10:40
    Yes, individuals who want or expect a referral/discount are essentially an extension of the "walmart mentality".  Generally speaking I know I'm dealing with this on the first phone call or text when they ask how much I charge...the closer to the beginning of the conversation the bigger the red flag.

    As soon as I detect this I deflect it by referring them to someone who I KNOW charges less. I don't want to deal them because I know in advance that they will be a thorn in my...   Occasionally my deflection knocks them to their senses and (I'm calling their bluff) and they "get it" and all is fine from then on. Usually though it ends in a conclusion of the call which is perfectly fine with me.

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 15.  RE: Referrals

    Posted 01-20-2023 10:58
    I remember a comment Jerry Groot once told me about price shoppers and I have used it a few times. After asking what I charge, they tell me another tuner only charges $, I respond with …well I’m not sure what they are worth, but I do know what I’m worth … although it’s only worked in my favor a couple of times, I’m always shocked when they decide to go with me.

    Les Koltvedt
    (404) 631-7177
    LKPianos.com




  • 16.  RE: Referrals

    Posted 01-22-2023 12:55
    Thanks for these responses.  I see that most of us don't pander to a discount mentality and I am happy to go along with this as well.  I get my share of "tire kickers" on price and once I tell them the tuning fee and ask them when they want to book, they hem and haw about how they are just checking on pricing.  If I am slow that week, I will sometimes say "well, you can shop around, but you may not find someone with as many 5 star ratings as I have online" and sometimes that will work. :-)

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    Patrick Greene
    OWNER
    Knoxville TN
    (865) 384-6582
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  • 17.  RE: Referrals

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-22-2023 13:45
    With so much phone phishing, I have gotten into the habit of not answering the phone unless I recognize the name, or number, on caller ID. Voice mail does an excellent job of screening my calls, and also gets rid of pretty much all the cold call telemarketers or scam calls. In fact, the majority of them have designed their systems to hang up before voice mail even answers the call. If the call is important, or the caller is serious, they will leave a message and I can call them back. Price shoppers, should they leave a message and price is the first, or primary reason for the call seldom get a callback. On the other hand, if they leave a message telling me who they are and maybe pose a couple of questions, and price is in there somewhere, I will call them back. But, during the conversation I make a point of diverting the question of price by asking about their piano. What kind is it. How long have they had it. When was the last time it was serviced. Are there any problems that they are aware of. By that time I have usually won their confidence and will address price. In other words, by taking their call seriously, and answering their piano related questions, I have converted a potential price shopper into a new customer because by that point they understand that I care about their needs and that I am going to provide reliable service. Price seems almost secondary to them at that point and they are frequently ready to schedule. 

    A note on answering machines and voice mail: Set the number of rings to at least six. Cell phone carriers usually set six rings as the default. Telemarketers usually disconnect on ring five because if they actually connect they can be tracked.

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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