With so much phone phishing, I have gotten into the habit of not answering the phone unless I recognize the name, or number, on caller ID. Voice mail does an excellent job of screening my calls, and also gets rid of pretty much all the cold call telemarketers or scam calls. In fact, the majority of them have designed their systems to hang up before voice mail even answers the call. If the call is important, or the caller is serious, they will leave a message and I can call them back. Price shoppers, should they leave a message and price is the first, or primary reason for the call seldom get a callback. On the other hand, if they leave a message telling me who they are and maybe pose a couple of questions, and price is in there somewhere, I will call them back. But, during the conversation I make a point of diverting the question of price by asking about their piano. What kind is it. How long have they had it. When was the last time it was serviced. Are there any problems that they are aware of. By that time I have usually won their confidence and will address price. In other words, by taking their call seriously, and answering their piano related questions, I have converted a potential price shopper into a new customer because by that point they understand that I care about their needs and that I am going to provide reliable service. Price seems almost secondary to them at that point and they are frequently ready to schedule.
A note on answering machines and voice mail: Set the number of rings to at least six. Cell phone carriers usually set six rings as the default. Telemarketers usually disconnect on ring five because if they actually connect they can be tracked.
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Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-22-2023 12:54
From: Patrick Greene
Subject: Referrals
Thanks for these responses. I see that most of us don't pander to a discount mentality and I am happy to go along with this as well. I get my share of "tire kickers" on price and once I tell them the tuning fee and ask them when they want to book, they hem and haw about how they are just checking on pricing. If I am slow that week, I will sometimes say "well, you can shop around, but you may not find someone with as many 5 star ratings as I have online" and sometimes that will work. :-)
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Patrick Greene
OWNER
Knoxville TN
(865) 384-6582
Original Message:
Sent: 01-20-2023 10:57
From: Leslie Koltvedt
Subject: Referrals
I remember a comment Jerry Groot once told me about price shoppers and I have used it a few times. After asking what I charge, they tell me another tuner only charges $, I respond with …well I'm not sure what they are worth, but I do know what I'm worth … although it's only worked in my favor a couple of times, I'm always shocked when they decide to go with me.
Les Koltvedt
(404) 631-7177
LKPianos.com
Original Message:
Sent: 1/20/2023 10:40:00 AM
From: Peter Grey
Subject: RE: Referrals
Yes, individuals who want or expect a referral/discount are essentially an extension of the "walmart mentality". Generally speaking I know I'm dealing with this on the first phone call or text when they ask how much I charge...the closer to the beginning of the conversation the bigger the red flag.
As soon as I detect this I deflect it by referring them to someone who I KNOW charges less. I don't want to deal them because I know in advance that they will be a thorn in my... Occasionally my deflection knocks them to their senses and (I'm calling their bluff) and they "get it" and all is fine from then on. Usually though it ends in a conclusion of the call which is perfectly fine with me.
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
Original Message:
Sent: 01-19-2023 22:49
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Referrals
Whenever I refer a friend, acquaintance, whatever, to someone, usually for non-piano work, it's because I want that person to get the best service they can and because I believe in the person I am referring them to. I really don't expect even a thank you from the person I'm referring them to. It's more important, to me, to learn that my friends were happy and that they agree that the person I referred them to did a good job. In other words, I'm not making the referral to please the person being referred to. I make it to please the person I am referring. In regards to my own business, I want my customers to treat me the same. I want them to like my work enough to refer their friends to me because they believe in me, and they want their friends to receive the same quality service. Not because they expect to receive thanks from me or to get paid for the referral.
I have found in my work that pretty much the only people that ever ask me for discounts for referrals are method teachers. Teachers that are not teaching method styles are almost always teaching because they love what they are doing and they want their students to love music, too. Method teachers, in my experience, are generally more money and award motivated. I routinely tell them no. They, in turn, seldom refer anyone to me and seldom bring me back to service their piano again. But sometimes they do. And I'm quite fine with that either way.
The only discount I give is for servicing multiple pianos in the same household or location, on the same visit, or within, perhaps, a walk across the street when the two parties have scheduled their tunings back-to-back. If I have to get in my car to get to that additional piano there is (generally) no discount. My discount is 10% on all service provided on that visit. I have one customer that calls me to service three pianos for his family all on the same day. All very close. I give him the usual 10% discount. One time he started to barter with me for more of a discount. I asked him to please not barter with me. This is my already discounted fee. He smiled, paid me, and I still see him, and those three pianos regularly.
In my database I always make a note of how the customer found me. These days much of my business is usually word-of-mouth from a friend. The next time I see that referring customer I am frequently greeted with their thanks for having taken care of their friend, who was quite happy with my work. However, if they don't bring it up I do, and thank them for the referral.
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Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA
Original Message:
Sent: 01-18-2023 19:46
From: Patrick Greene
Subject: Referrals
How do you all handle referrals? Sometimes a new customer will let me know that one of my previous customer's referred me to them. What I am trying to do now is note that on my database so that I will remember to give them a discount the next time I tune. I was thinking that 10 percent of my standard tuning fee would be a good referral gift.
Just wanted to see what you all do...
Thanks
Patrick
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Patrick Greene
OWNER
Knoxville TN
(865) 384-6582
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