Pianotech

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 5/28/2022 2:20:00 PM
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 5/28/2022 4:02:00 PM
From: Edward Foote
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

Greetings, 

  I would urge caution on going to 3/0 pins, as in , try one first.  You don't want to end up with  jumpy 170 in/lbs when you try to tune it. If it really does have 2/0 pins, it may have been restrung.  

Regards, 

Original Message:
Sent: 5/28/2022 2:20:00 PM
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 5/28/2022 4:02:00 PM
From: Edward Foote
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

Greetings, 

  I would urge caution on going to 3/0 pins, as in , try one first.  You don't want to end up with  jumpy 170 in/lbs when you try to tune it. If it really does have 2/0 pins, it may have been restrung.  

Regards, 

Original Message:
Sent: 5/28/2022 2:20:00 PM
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 5/28/2022 2:20:00 PM
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Talk to Yamaha before doing anything. I recall from a talk I went to that Yamaha strings ARE metric so if you are doing the entire piano you want to get that right, Whatever you do support the pinblock . I have to get two bass strings for a P22 soon and will see how they measure in imperial vs mm

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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 18:31
From: Wim Blees
Subject: Restringing tips

Robert

Pin size. If they were tight coming out, use the same size. At most, since the strings were rusty, I would clean out the pin holes with a wire brush. What I've used in the past is a 22. caliber rifle bore brush. You will need 3 or 4 for the whole pin block. 

The width of plate bushings are all the same. There are different lengths. Look in the Schaff catalogue for the same size that came out of the piano.  

Leave the agraffs alone. At most clean off the v-bar with 400 grit wet and dry sandpaper. 

If this piano has been restrung once before, you can probably ask Yamaha for the right scale for this piano. 

Hope this helps.  

Wim

Original Message:
Sent: 5/28/2022 2:20:00 PM
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Huh, never seen one in 48 years. We never stop learning. I think I understand the placement as Bass,Treble, and in between as treble wire is thinner and thus shorter length is needed for same number of coils. Would the wire snake under the front part, over the middle part, and under the rear part?
I've always used 4 fingers.

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Tremaine Parsons RPT
Georgetown CA
(530) 333-9299
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Due to the longer wire having more 'slack' and stretch, the top treble is cut longer than the bass wire from the pin. Increments thru the scale diminish.

Had you cut the bass wire the same as the treble, the becket would end up at 6:00+ (instead of around 3:00.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 12:19
From: Tremaine Parsons
Subject: Restringing tips

Huh, never seen one in 48 years. We never stop learning. I think I understand the placement as Bass,Treble, and in between as treble wire is thinner and thus shorter length is needed for same number of coils. Would the wire snake under the front part, over the middle part, and under the rear part?
I've always used 4 fingers.

------------------------------
Tremaine Parsons RPT
Georgetown CA
(530) 333-9299

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 5/29/2022 4:09:00 PM
From: Jon Page
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

Due to the longer wire having more 'slack' and stretch, the top treble is cut longer than the bass wire from the pin. Increments thru the scale diminish.

Had you cut the bass wire the same as the treble, the becket would end up at 6:00+ (instead of around 3:00.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 12:19
From: Tremaine Parsons
Subject: Restringing tips

Huh, never seen one in 48 years. We never stop learning. I think I understand the placement as Bass,Treble, and in between as treble wire is thinner and thus shorter length is needed for same number of coils. Would the wire snake under the front part, over the middle part, and under the rear part?
I've always used 4 fingers.

------------------------------
Tremaine Parsons RPT
Georgetown CA
(530) 333-9299

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 5/29/2022 7:34:00 AM
From: Jon Page
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 5/29/2022 12:53:00 PM
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

Right a becket tool. I was going to use a method similar to Trix at Erwin's.

It really does make it look better.

I'll check this out

Original Message:
Sent: 5/29/2022 7:34:00 AM
From: Jon Page
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Yes indeed Jon - actually, I guess I do know what I becket tool is - I've just always called it my stringing gauge. I made mine after your pattern. I found a few pictures for anyone that might be interested.



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Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Hello Terry, 
What material did you use?
Peter

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Petrus Janssen
Peachtree City GA
(678) 416-8055
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-30-2022 12:26
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Yes indeed Jon - actually, I guess I do know what I becket tool is - I've just always called it my stringing gauge. I made mine after your pattern. I found a few pictures for anyone that might be interested.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Petrus J. asked:  "What material did you use?"

Oh, just a chunk of black cherry - I still have a bit left of my nice college-era cherry waterbed frame. Any wood would work - a decent hardwood may be best.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-30-2022 13:35
From: Petrus Janssen
Subject: Restringing tips

Hello Terry,
What material did you use?
Peter

------------------------------
Petrus Janssen
Peachtree City GA
(678) 416-8055

Original Message:
Sent: 05-30-2022 12:26
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Yes indeed Jon - actually, I guess I do know what I becket tool is - I've just always called it my stringing gauge. I made mine after your pattern. I found a few pictures for anyone that might be interested.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

The back curved-section broke off. Be mindful of grain orientation. I replaced it with a screw and reinforced the other protrusions with center pins. If I were to make a new one, I'd just use screws to secure the wire to the gage.  My initial purpose for the gage was cutting wire in tight spaces where 4-fingers was awkward. After the first stringing job, I realized that the wire needed to be cut a little shorter as you went down the scale.

The new notch at the leading end is to be placed that at the top on an installed tuning pin.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-31-2022 05:21
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Petrus J. asked:  "What material did you use?"

Oh, just a chunk of black cherry - I still have a bit left of my nice college-era cherry waterbed frame. Any wood would work - a decent hardwood may be best.

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Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-30-2022 13:35
From: Petrus Janssen
Subject: Restringing tips

Hello Terry,
What material did you use?
Peter

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Petrus Janssen
Peachtree City GA
(678) 416-8055

Original Message:
Sent: 05-30-2022 12:26
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Yes indeed Jon - actually, I guess I do know what I becket tool is - I've just always called it my stringing gauge. I made mine after your pattern. I found a few pictures for anyone that might be interested.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

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Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 5/30/2022 12:26:00 PM
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

Yes indeed Jon - actually, I guess I do know what I becket tool is - I've just always called it my stringing gauge. I made mine after your pattern. I found a few pictures for anyone that might be interested.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 5/31/2022 1:32:00 AM
From: David Love
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

I've always just used a thin piece of plastic tubing cut to 3" for 3 coils and 4" for 4 coils. Slip the wire through the tubing, drop the wire with your cutters and pull it taut, index the front of the tubing to the front, center or back of the hole in the plate (your choice), slide your cutters up to the end of the tubing and cut. Beckets will align perfectly. Easier to handle. 

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Original Message:
Sent: 5/30/2022 12:26:00 PM
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: RE: Restringing tips

Yes indeed Jon - actually, I guess I do know what I becket tool is - I've just always called it my stringing gauge. I made mine after your pattern. I found a few pictures for anyone that might be interested.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 07:33
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

The Becket Tool is a gage to measure where to cut the wire length from the tuning pin. It produces consistent, even beckets like a factory stringer pro.
It's in the archives somewhere, I looked but to no avail.  The one pictured is an early one and I've made it simpler with screws into the wood strip.
The square end is a pin height gage.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:43
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

Jon - what is a "Becket Tool"?

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 20:57
From: Jon Page
Subject: Restringing tips

Hasn't it been determined that Paulello (sp?) XM wire is better for Yamahas? At least in the treble?
Make yourself a Becket Tool while you're at it.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Mapes IG is metric. I have the spec sheet from Mapes. Email me at tremaine@tparsons.com and I will send you a pdf of the spec sheet.

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Tremaine Parsons RPT
Georgetown CA
(530) 333-9299
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 14:20
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

You can use the wire you have - have it rescaled by someone who knows what they are doing.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 14:20
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

My biggest tip for restringing is to focus on the soundboard /string interface, not just the mechanics of stringing. 
Measure the crown before and after removing the strings. Never assume the factory got it right, nor that it would be the same setting today as it was set then because soundboards can change shape. Basically, this info helps you decide how much of a spring you got to work with.
I start with the long strings first and set to half a degree, or zero on older boards. Because the board is always giving, the angle has to be checked and the string rest adjusted with every string. This method pre- loads the board to the point it wants to be. When the board begins to fight back the decision is made to  go with a 1 degree angle or stay with a half degree angle. With all the steel strings on  bass bridge height has now settled, and its downbearing can be minimal.  In the past, 1.5 degrees was recommended by experts for the entire piano, but this chocks and or fatigues a board prematurely.  An interesting phenomenon i have noticed about pianos with heavy downbearing loads is regarding projection. They can sound okay at the keyboard, but at the same time,when listening to the piano a few feet away there's no there there. 
The bridges caps must be in top condition, i often change caps with a focus for more dense material. I use Osage Orange as a first choice, hickory second. Both are much harder than Maple. This decision is not a bunch of horse apples, but alone has pretty much eliminated false beats.
-chris

(Note: Osage Orange is AKA  by locals as horse apple)

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations
"Where Tone is Key"
865-986-7720 (text only please)
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:47
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

You can use the wire you have - have it rescaled by someone who knows what they are doing.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 14:20
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Stephen Paulello has a helpful chart for referencing metric wire sizes.  Here is the link.  His first column is "Paulello", but I understand it simply to be the standard metric gauges.  When I measure my existing wire stock, at least that purchased in recent years, the measurements suggest that I am handling wire manufactured to metric standards, relabeled to American sizes.  I now label my wire coils with four pieces of information:  Metric gauge, American gauge, diameter in inches, diameter in millimeters.  That helps keep my head straight.

Yamaha has tuning pins that progress in size by tenths of a millimeter.  I am currently restringing a Yamaha CF with 7.1mm pins.  The originals were 7.0.  The increments of increase in size are smaller than with standard pins. 

I would be interested in thoughts in the community in regard to coil height above the plate.  My current thoughts are a minimum height of about 1/8 inch, with greater height when justified by a better angle for the wire leaving the pin--that is, closer to 90 degrees.  Also, having struggled with poor string rendering due to excessive friction between the counterbearing felt and the deeply imbedded strings on a number of grand pianos, I am inclined to be happy with coil heights that are a a bit higher than the 1/8 inch, though I prefer not to have more than the tiniest bit of tuning pin threading showing above the bushing.  I like to have the wires for any given note sitting in the same plane.

Here are my favorite sources of information for restringing:

Bridge Repairs for Better Tone (Bill Spurlock) reprinted in the August 2015 journal.  It's worth looking for other discussions in the Journal around the time this article was originally published, using the journal index resource elsewhere here on the ptg site.  Also, a series of journal articles on false beats by Ron Nossaman gives some helpful ideas to think about when the need to restring gives you the opportunity to do something really productive with the bridge.

Reshaping the capo bar in situ (David Love)

Agraffe reaming tool Pianotek AR-12

I have on file detailed original stringing data from 1965 and 1966 G3's, including measured speaking lengths.  I would be happy to share that if it is helpful.

------------------------------
Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:47
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

You can use the wire you have - have it rescaled by someone who knows what they are doing.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 14:20
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Floyd,

I would love to have detailed original stringing data from 1965 and 1966 G3's, including measured speaking lengths. I collect string scales.
tremaine@tparsons.com

------------------------------
Tremaine Parsons RPT
Georgetown CA
(530) 333-9299
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 12:32
From: Floyd Gadd
Subject: Restringing tips

Stephen Paulello has a helpful chart for referencing metric wire sizes.  Here is the link.  His first column is "Paulello", but I understand it simply to be the standard metric gauges.  When I measure my existing wire stock, at least that purchased in recent years, the measurements suggest that I am handling wire manufactured to metric standards, relabeled to American sizes.  I now label my wire coils with four pieces of information:  Metric gauge, American gauge, diameter in inches, diameter in millimeters.  That helps keep my head straight.

Yamaha has tuning pins that progress in size by tenths of a millimeter.  I am currently restringing a Yamaha CF with 7.1mm pins.  The originals were 7.0.  The increments of increase in size are smaller than with standard pins.

I would be interested in thoughts in the community in regard to coil height above the plate.  My current thoughts are a minimum height of about 1/8 inch, with greater height when justified by a better angle for the wire leaving the pin--that is, closer to 90 degrees.  Also, having struggled with poor string rendering due to excessive friction between the counterbearing felt and the deeply imbedded strings on a number of grand pianos, I am inclined to be happy with coil heights that are a a bit higher than the 1/8 inch, though I prefer not to have more than the tiniest bit of tuning pin threading showing above the bushing.  I like to have the wires for any given note sitting in the same plane.

Here are my favorite sources of information for restringing:

Bridge Repairs for Better Tone (Bill Spurlock) reprinted in the August 2015 journal.  It's worth looking for other discussions in the Journal around the time this article was originally published, using the journal index resource elsewhere here on the ptg site.  Also, a series of journal articles on false beats by Ron Nossaman gives some helpful ideas to think about when the need to restring gives you the opportunity to do something really productive with the bridge.

Reshaping the capo bar in situ (David Love)

Agraffe reaming tool Pianotek AR-12

I have on file detailed original stringing data from 1965 and 1966 G3's, including measured speaking lengths.  I would be happy to share that if it is helpful.

------------------------------
Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:47
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

You can use the wire you have - have it rescaled by someone who knows what they are doing.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 14:20
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

Tremaine,

Sent.

------------------------------
Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 13:26
From: Tremaine Parsons
Subject: Restringing tips

Floyd,

I would love to have detailed original stringing data from 1965 and 1966 G3's, including measured speaking lengths. I collect string scales.
tremaine@tparsons.com

------------------------------
Tremaine Parsons RPT
Georgetown CA
(530) 333-9299

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 12:32
From: Floyd Gadd
Subject: Restringing tips

Stephen Paulello has a helpful chart for referencing metric wire sizes.  Here is the link.  His first column is "Paulello", but I understand it simply to be the standard metric gauges.  When I measure my existing wire stock, at least that purchased in recent years, the measurements suggest that I am handling wire manufactured to metric standards, relabeled to American sizes.  I now label my wire coils with four pieces of information:  Metric gauge, American gauge, diameter in inches, diameter in millimeters.  That helps keep my head straight.

Yamaha has tuning pins that progress in size by tenths of a millimeter.  I am currently restringing a Yamaha CF with 7.1mm pins.  The originals were 7.0.  The increments of increase in size are smaller than with standard pins.

I would be interested in thoughts in the community in regard to coil height above the plate.  My current thoughts are a minimum height of about 1/8 inch, with greater height when justified by a better angle for the wire leaving the pin--that is, closer to 90 degrees.  Also, having struggled with poor string rendering due to excessive friction between the counterbearing felt and the deeply imbedded strings on a number of grand pianos, I am inclined to be happy with coil heights that are a a bit higher than the 1/8 inch, though I prefer not to have more than the tiniest bit of tuning pin threading showing above the bushing.  I like to have the wires for any given note sitting in the same plane.

Here are my favorite sources of information for restringing:

Bridge Repairs for Better Tone (Bill Spurlock) reprinted in the August 2015 journal.  It's worth looking for other discussions in the Journal around the time this article was originally published, using the journal index resource elsewhere here on the ptg site.  Also, a series of journal articles on false beats by Ron Nossaman gives some helpful ideas to think about when the need to restring gives you the opportunity to do something really productive with the bridge.

Reshaping the capo bar in situ (David Love)

Agraffe reaming tool Pianotek AR-12

I have on file detailed original stringing data from 1965 and 1966 G3's, including measured speaking lengths.  I would be happy to share that if it is helpful.

------------------------------
Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:47
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

You can use the wire you have - have it rescaled by someone who knows what they are doing.

------------------------------
Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 14:20
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
------------------------------

The conversion chart offered by Paulello is useful, but limited.  It should be understood that those gauges are not specific to Paulello wire alone. The gauges referenced are the standard Metric wire sizes that have been used for a long time by wire makers in Europe  (Röslau, etc) and Asia.
Another thing that many people do not understand is that Röslau produces only metric sized wire. When Röslau is sold in the US, it is re-packaged and labelled with the closest US gauge. If you measure closely you can see the small discrepancy between the US gauge and the actual wire size.
I will attach a conversion chart with the US gauges on it as well.

Over all, I would not be too concerned about metric vs. non-metric wire.  Just use the size that is closest and makes the most sense.

------------------------------
Jurgen Goering
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 15:38
From: Floyd Gadd
Subject: Restringing tips

Tremaine,

Sent.

------------------------------
Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 13:26
From: Tremaine Parsons
Subject: Restringing tips

Floyd,

I would love to have detailed original stringing data from 1965 and 1966 G3's, including measured speaking lengths. I collect string scales.
tremaine@tparsons.com

------------------------------
Tremaine Parsons RPT
Georgetown CA
(530) 333-9299

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 12:32
From: Floyd Gadd
Subject: Restringing tips

Stephen Paulello has a helpful chart for referencing metric wire sizes.  Here is the link.  His first column is "Paulello", but I understand it simply to be the standard metric gauges.  When I measure my existing wire stock, at least that purchased in recent years, the measurements suggest that I am handling wire manufactured to metric standards, relabeled to American sizes.  I now label my wire coils with four pieces of information:  Metric gauge, American gauge, diameter in inches, diameter in millimeters.  That helps keep my head straight.

Yamaha has tuning pins that progress in size by tenths of a millimeter.  I am currently restringing a Yamaha CF with 7.1mm pins.  The originals were 7.0.  The increments of increase in size are smaller than with standard pins.

I would be interested in thoughts in the community in regard to coil height above the plate.  My current thoughts are a minimum height of about 1/8 inch, with greater height when justified by a better angle for the wire leaving the pin--that is, closer to 90 degrees.  Also, having struggled with poor string rendering due to excessive friction between the counterbearing felt and the deeply imbedded strings on a number of grand pianos, I am inclined to be happy with coil heights that are a a bit higher than the 1/8 inch, though I prefer not to have more than the tiniest bit of tuning pin threading showing above the bushing.  I like to have the wires for any given note sitting in the same plane.

Here are my favorite sources of information for restringing:

Bridge Repairs for Better Tone (Bill Spurlock) reprinted in the August 2015 journal.  It's worth looking for other discussions in the Journal around the time this article was originally published, using the journal index resource elsewhere here on the ptg site.  Also, a series of journal articles on false beats by Ron Nossaman gives some helpful ideas to think about when the need to restring gives you the opportunity to do something really productive with the bridge.

Reshaping the capo bar in situ (David Love)

Agraffe reaming tool Pianotek AR-12

I have on file detailed original stringing data from 1965 and 1966 G3's, including measured speaking lengths.  I would be happy to share that if it is helpful.

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Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103

Original Message:
Sent: 05-29-2022 05:47
From: Terrence Farrell
Subject: Restringing tips

You can use the wire you have - have it rescaled by someone who knows what they are doing.

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Terry Farrell
Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
Brandon, Florida
terry@farrellpiano.com
813-684-3505

Original Message:
Sent: 05-28-2022 14:20
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Restringing tips

Thank you all, your comments are all valuable.
I have restrung some uprights and did new bass wires on a grand a year ago.
The G3 I'm doing now was on the coast and wires are rusty. Bridge looks good. There was no serial number on the plate but we found this number in 2 places,,
G3 2492607. I believe it's 1970s My piano atlas is stored SOME place around here.
JD Grandt is making me some bass wires.
The owner said he would like the whole piano done. I have the full run of Mapes IG in half sizes.
Does any body have the wire sizes for a G3 in American sizes? I'm willing to pay if someone has a chart. It would save a lot of work.
Japanese wire was metric?
I can make a reasonable guess from what is there but real scaling is usually better.

This has #2 pins. They were tight but ovaled out at the top from tuners flagpoling.
I am going to order #3s. I have a many boring bits and regular drill bits of all sizes. What size would be the appropriate cleaning/sizing bit for a #3 pin?
A #3 for a Yamaha G3 is 2 3/8 x ,286

What tool is used for touching up the agraffes if needed?
Should I try and rotate the bridge pins and firm up with CA glue?
I was thinking of breaking a mill bastard file to touch up the capo section. I would hope it doesn't need a complete reshaping or maybe nothing at all?
Any other attention to detail I might consider?
Thank you​​​​

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Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
(209) 770-4312
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