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I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Hi Garry:

We've all been there.  No need to beat yourself up.  You've done the right things so far. 

Clicks in the action need to be isolated.  When does the click happen?  Is it on the initial blow, or as you let go of the key?  Sometimes on the strike of the hammer there's a clicking sound due to a loose hammer head.  Most of the time I find that I can feel it loose on the shank.  The sound will be kind of "woody" and the crisp sound of the string is absent. 

If the click happens when you release the key, it might be missing the felt on the hammer butt.  It's also possible someone installed fresh felts and the glue saturated the felt, and the click is the jack hitting the glue.  You never know who did what on the action when it's that old. 

Check all the glue joints, even the catcher on the butt can be loose and make a sound.  Tighten all the screws that you can find.  Are the hammer flanges tight?  Anything loose at all can cause noises.

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Paul McCloud, RPT
Accutone Piano Service
www.AccutonePianoService.com
pavadasa@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 02-10-2025 19:13
From: Garry Gambill
Subject: Suggestions to repair Upright clicking noise

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

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Garry Gambill
Greenbush MN
12184520223
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Assuming that you tightened all the action (flange) screws and the hammer shanks aren't hitting the hammer spring return rail. Are you sure the sound is coming from the action? Sometimes the name board felt wears away and the keys knock against the hold-down rail upon release. Other than that, all the stuff Paul mentions. Maybe the problem gets worse seasonally? Loose ivory tails can click too. 

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Steven Rosenthal RPT
Honolulu HI
(808) 521-7129
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-10-2025 20:06
From: Paul McCloud
Subject: Suggestions to repair Upright clicking noise

Hi Garry:

We've all been there.  No need to beat yourself up.  You've done the right things so far. 

Clicks in the action need to be isolated.  When does the click happen?  Is it on the initial blow, or as you let go of the key?  Sometimes on the strike of the hammer there's a clicking sound due to a loose hammer head.  Most of the time I find that I can feel it loose on the shank.  The sound will be kind of "woody" and the crisp sound of the string is absent. 

If the click happens when you release the key, it might be missing the felt on the hammer butt.  It's also possible someone installed fresh felts and the glue saturated the felt, and the click is the jack hitting the glue.  You never know who did what on the action when it's that old. 

Check all the glue joints, even the catcher on the butt can be loose and make a sound.  Tighten all the screws that you can find.  Are the hammer flanges tight?  Anything loose at all can cause noises.

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Paul McCloud, RPT
Accutone Piano Service
www.AccutonePianoService.com
pavadasa@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 02-10-2025 19:13
From: Garry Gambill
Subject: Suggestions to repair Upright clicking noise

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

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Garry Gambill
Greenbush MN
12184520223
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I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

If you can take a video, that would be helpful to help us figure it out for you.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Mr. Greene,

I have a video for you to review however software programs have changed to a point I have not been able to figure out how to attach. If you have a different email that I can sent it to, let me know. Please excuse the delay in responding to your request as it was a challenge meeting up with my customer and getting the pdf image attached. I am seeking input on how to resolve/repair clicking the action of this Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920.  I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action so you have some idea of what I have done so far.

I have tuned this piano at least 4 times. Initially I had not noticed any clicking when tuning. This piano had most of the bridle straps were broken or decomposed due to age. The first tuning turned out ok after many years of neglect. Subsequent tunings I noted some clicking was prevalent only in various 2^nd and 3^rd octaves, applying CLP to the joints seemed to help that time. However, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking.

Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, changed the hammer rail felt, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change.

As you will see in the video, clicking appears to occur after releasing the key and the jack hits the hammer felt butt. Is it possible I have the bridle strap too taunt? Do I need to replace all 88 butt felts?

This repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing. Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Cordially,

Garry

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Garry Gambill
Greenbush MN
12184520223

Original Message:
Sent: 02-11-2025 18:42
From: Patrick Greene
Subject: Suggestions to repair Upright clicking noise

If you can take a video, that would be helpful to help us figure it out for you.

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Patrick Greene
OWNER
Knoxville TN
(865) 384-6582

Original Message:
Sent: 02-11-2025 18:34
From: Garry Gambill
Subject: Suggestions to repair Upright clicking noise

Original Message:
Sent: 2/10/2025 7:14:00 PM
From: Garry Gambill
Subject: Suggestions to repair Upright clicking noise

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

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Garry Gambill
Greenbush MN
12184520223
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Mr. Greene,

I have a video for you to review however software programs have changed to a point I have not been able to figure out how to attach. If you have a different email that I can sent it to, let me know. Please excuse the delay in responding to your request as it was a challenge meeting up with my customer and getting the pdf image attached. I am seeking input on how to resolve/repair clicking the action of this Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920.  I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action so you have some idea of what I have done so far.

I have tuned this piano at least 4 times. Initially I had not noticed any clicking when tuning. This piano had most of the bridle straps were broken or decomposed due to age. The first tuning turned out ok after many years of neglect. Subsequent tunings I noted some clicking was prevalent only in various 2^nd and 3^rd octaves, applying CLP to the joints seemed to help that time. However, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking.

Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, changed the hammer rail felt, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change.

As you will see in the video, clicking appears to occur after releasing the key and the jack hits the hammer felt butt. Is it possible I have the bridle strap too taunt? Do I need to replace all 88 butt felts?

This repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing. Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Cordially,

Garry

If you can take a video, that would be helpful to help us figure it out for you.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Mr. Greene,

I have a video for you to review however software programs have changed to a point I have not been able to figure out how to attach. If you have a different email that I can sent it to, let me know. Please excuse the delay in responding to your request as it was a challenge meeting up with my customer and getting the pdf image attached. I am seeking input on how to resolve/repair clicking the action of this Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920.  I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action so you have some idea of what I have done so far.

I have tuned this piano at least 4 times. Initially I had not noticed any clicking when tuning. This piano had most of the bridle straps were broken or decomposed due to age. The first tuning turned out ok after many years of neglect. Subsequent tunings I noted some clicking was prevalent only in various 2^nd and 3^rd octaves, applying CLP to the joints seemed to help that time. However, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking.

Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, changed the hammer rail felt, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change.

As you will see in the video, clicking appears to occur after releasing the key and the jack hits the hammer felt butt. Is it possible I have the bridle strap too taunt? Do I need to replace all 88 butt felts?

This repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing. Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Cordially,

Garry

If you can take a video, that would be helpful to help us figure it out for you.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Mr. Greene,

I have a video for you to review however software programs have changed to a point I have not been able to figure out how to attach. If you have a different email that I can sent it to, let me know. Please excuse the delay in responding to your request as it was a challenge meeting up with my customer and getting the pdf image attached. I am seeking input on how to resolve/repair clicking the action of this Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920.  I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action so you have some idea of what I have done so far.

I have tuned this piano at least 4 times. Initially I had not noticed any clicking when tuning. This piano had most of the bridle straps were broken or decomposed due to age. The first tuning turned out ok after many years of neglect. Subsequent tunings I noted some clicking was prevalent only in various 2^nd and 3^rd octaves, applying CLP to the joints seemed to help that time. However, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking.

Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, changed the hammer rail felt, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change.

As you will see in the video, clicking appears to occur after releasing the key and the jack hits the hammer felt butt. Is it possible I have the bridle strap too taunt? Do I need to replace all 88 butt felts?

This repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing. Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Cordially,

Garry

If you can take a video, that would be helpful to help us figure it out for you.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

First tighten all action screws, check for loose hammer heads, check clearances of backcheck and bridle tape wires. Next thoroughly check keyset for clearance

issues and loose keytops including sharps.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

First tighten all action screws, check for loose hammer heads, check clearances of backcheck and bridle tape wires. Next thoroughly check keyset for clearance

issues and loose keytops including sharps.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Tap with your finger on the tip of the ivory tail (assuming this has ivory). If it clicks when you tap it, you've found a good candidate. 

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

First tighten all action screws, check for loose hammer heads, check clearances of backcheck and bridle tape wires. Next thoroughly check keyset for clearance

issues and loose keytops including sharps.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Mr. Gambill-

What you have missed is a basic principle of good work: "Diagnosis before Treatment!"

Diagnose an action problem by starting at the front of the key and working through the action, one point at a time. Is an individual piece loose and rattling, such as a key cover or capstan? Are parts knocking when the note is played, such as a key mortise against a key pin or a bridle tape wire against a back check wire?

If neighboring notes are clicking, look for a neighborhood problem such as a wandering rail or case part.

The piano is in front of you. You are the one person who can solve this problem. Start at the front of the key and work through the action, point by point until you find the cause.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?

Process of elimination. Like a good doctor.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Mr. Gambill-

What you have missed is a basic principle of good work: "Diagnosis before Treatment!"

Diagnose an action problem by starting at the front of the key and working through the action, one point at a time. Is an individual piece loose and rattling, such as a key cover or capstan? Are parts knocking when the note is played, such as a key mortise against a key pin or a bridle tape wire against a back check wire?

If neighboring notes are clicking, look for a neighborhood problem such as a wandering rail or case part.

The piano is in front of you. You are the one person who can solve this problem. Start at the front of the key and work through the action, point by point until you find the cause.

I am seeking input for some ideas on where to find and/or repair clicking sound in the action of a Wagner upright piano. Based on Piano Atlas it was built circa 1920. Without being redundant based on your experience, I would like to provide some background of my experience with this action.

At the initial tuning, clicking was prevalent only in the 2^nd and 3^rd octave however Protek seemed to help that time. Subsequently, at a later tuning, the piano owner marked multiple keys that were clicking. I removed the action to take home to my work shop. At that time, various keys in the 3^rd thru 5^th octaves had clicking. Thus, pivot points, jacks, hammer butt as well as each note felts were slightly fluffed up with a voicing tool, changed the bridle strap plus wire adjustment, etc., etc. In summary, a colleague in the area, coached me on this and more processes. In addition, I have referenced Reblitz. Results had no significant change. Now is repair has become personal, frustrating, and embarrassing.

Any suggestions or what am I missing?