My apologies Steven. I am wanting to be an aspiring piano technician. I'm just worrying a little too much on budget. I do believe Buying the supplies to build my inventory of tools and everything else in my kit will benefit me greatly in this profession.
I definitely don't think of this as a hobby for myself, but a profession to achieve the best end results for a quality instrument.
Original Message:
Sent: 11-09-2025 15:17
From: Steven Rosenthal
Subject: Tuning Repairing, and voicing a Yamaha P22 from 1984
John-Paul, if you are an aspiring piano technician you will need those tools and supplies. If this is more of a hobby or project, then maybe just get the replacement flanges. Either way you need to get your hands on a pin extraction/setting tool and replacement center pins. Putting the old pins back in isn't going to work, they will be looser than they already are. Or, it is possible to replace the silk loops with the flanges in place but that won't help with them being to loose already. Looks like you're at a crossroads here.
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Steven Rosenthal RPT
Honolulu HI
(808) 521-7129
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Original Message:
Sent: 11-09-2025 14:45
From: John-Paul Karas
Subject: Tuning Repairing, and voicing a Yamaha P22 from 1984
You do make a good point when it comes to shaping in the hammers while they're in the action. I do think it'll be really beneficial experience to train my stamina and rhythm to get the job done consistently.
I'm about to head to Home Depot to buy some sandpaper sheets of varying roughness for shaping each hammer individually while also using a single file if that's the best way to go for this procedure.
I just recently submitted an application for Schaff to buy some supplies including the ones you mentioned.
I did test some of the butt flanges and they did have a little bit too much motion in them (Did a swing test and swung 10-15 times) but have little to no side to side movement.
This piano model does not have a hammer butt plate and the screws to keep the butt flanges secure to glue the loops, which to my understanding probably means I would have to remove each center pin from the flange on all 88 hammer butts to Glue every single Loop (Unless there's a method of doing it without removing the center pins from the flange)
I'm not sure if reinserting those Center pins would the best idea because of the Excessive motion And would have to result to buying Center pins of different sizes To fit the flanges back in, Leading to a A lot of hassle in buying many different supplies through Schaff (Or a different piano supply store) while making the repair process much longer,
Do you think it might be an easier option if I just bought the Yamaha butt flanges with the chords on them to alleviate the extra hassle?
Overall I really do appreciate the help Steven, and all the other techs suggestions above.
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John-Paul Karas
Murrieta CA
(951) 240-1440
Original Message:
Sent: 11-09-2025 00:09
From: Steven Rosenthal
Subject: Tuning Repairing, and voicing a Yamaha P22 from 1984
John-Paul, while the suggestions above are all excellent, for the purposes of gaining experience I would recommend that you file and shape the hammers while they are in the action and that you get the silk loop string from Schaff, you might try Pacific Piano Supply also, and replace them yourself. One of the basic aspects of action work is that it's X times 88. This piano is a good chance to build up the stamina and rhythm for this type of work and a sense of how everything is 'scaled' (from big to small). This is a really good piano to work out on because you will be rewarded with a fairly nice instrument when you're done.
There is a metal rail directly behind the dampers with a strip of felt on it, it helps to remove the rail as it allows you to tip the hammers farther forward for different operations.
Howard Piano Industries has a lot of good instructional videos too, here.
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Steven Rosenthal RPT
Honolulu HI
(808) 521-7129
Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2025 16:17
From: Roger Gable
Subject: Tuning Repairing, and voicing a Yamaha P22 from 1984
John-Paul,
I would highly recommend you use Yamaha flanges with cords. They almost all fit without fussing around with alignment. They're not expensive; about $100 for a set when I bought them a few years ago. I tried another brand many years ago and I found I spent a lot of time spacing hammers. That's an arduous task when you find that you must remove the flange/hammers assembly many times to reshape the flange for proper alignment.
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Roger Gable RPT
Gable Piano
Everett WA
(425) 252-5000