Pianotech

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

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Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Hi Cindy,

Read the April 2022 Journal article submitted by the Connecticut Chapter. The household product Fantastik was the hands down winner. Though the article was published in 2022 the experiment happened in my basement in 2017. I just went to check the bag of parts that the Fantasik was used on and they are still swinging nicely. 

Of course parts replacement is always the better way to go as Blaine Hebert stated. For the most part we're talking about old pianos with other worn parts too. But applying Fantastik is a lot less expensive and so far (six years on from CT chapter experiment) the test parts are swinging freely along with any of my customers pianos receiving the application.

Doug Mahard

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

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Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

My first test was a hammer center with verdigris. It freed it up immediately. Went from 3 swings to 7. The second test was soaking springs, pins that were corroded. It dissolved it all overnight and left the center pins looking new.  On their website they talk about why the others lubricants don't work. They basically coat the contaminate, that's why you have to reapply. 

Truly awesome stuff. I really like how they explain the chemistry.

I had gone to some fishing forums about it. The ones that compete need practically zero friction in the spools for distance casting. Tsi301 came out over 2 decades as the clear performance winner.

-chris

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

My first test was a hammer center with verdigris. It freed it up immediately. Went from 3 swings to 7. The second test was soaking springs, pins that were corroded. It dissolved it all overnight and left the center pins looking new.  On their website they talk about why the others lubricants don't work. They basically coat the contaminate, that's why you have to reapply. 

Truly awesome stuff. I really like how they explain the chemistry.

I had gone to some fishing forums about it. The ones that compete need practically zero friction in the spools for distance casting. Tsi301 came out over 2 decades as the clear performance winner.

-chris

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

My first test was a hammer center with verdigris. It freed it up immediately. Went from 3 swings to 7. The second test was soaking springs, pins that were corroded. It dissolved it all overnight and left the center pins looking new.  On their website they talk about why the others lubricants don't work. They basically coat the contaminate, that's why you have to reapply. 

Truly awesome stuff. I really like how they explain the chemistry.

I had gone to some fishing forums about it. The ones that compete need practically zero friction in the spools for distance casting. Tsi301 came out over 2 decades as the clear performance winner.

-chris

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Thanks Chris for this new method for combatting verdigris!  Do you have a source website for it?

My first test was a hammer center with verdigris. It freed it up immediately. Went from 3 swings to 7. The second test was soaking springs, pins that were corroded. It dissolved it all overnight and left the center pins looking new.  On their website they talk about why the others lubricants don't work. They basically coat the contaminate, that's why you have to reapply. 

Truly awesome stuff. I really like how they explain the chemistry.

I had gone to some fishing forums about it. The ones that compete need practically zero friction in the spools for distance casting. Tsi301 came out over 2 decades as the clear performance winner.

-chris

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Has anyone got the reference for the previous verdigris thread that Lucinda mentioned? I presume that my approach is in it – normal use of a flange bushing reamer. Quite feasible to do in your customer's home, particularly when the main offenders are the hammershank flanges.

(a) Disassemble each flange. (b) Ream the felt bushings. (c) Reassemble with a new pin that is the same size as the old one,

If you haven't done the process before, start a little slowly. If you over-ream, you will need to move up to the next center pin size. You quickly get a feel for how much to ream.

Regards, Norman

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Norman,

I have done this (repinning) for pianos for years, but the corrosion returns every time.  I have never found a treatment (short of soaking in ammonia) that will remove the verdigris or prevent it from recurring.  Lubricants are only temporary.

Has anyone got the reference for the previous verdigris thread that Lucinda mentioned? I presume that my approach is in it – normal use of a flange bushing reamer. Quite feasible to do in your customer's home, particularly when the main offenders are the hammershank flanges.

(a) Disassemble each flange. (b) Ream the felt bushings. (c) Reassemble with a new pin that is the same size as the old one,

If you haven't done the process before, start a little slowly. If you over-ream, you will need to move up to the next center pin size. You quickly get a feel for how much to ream.

Regards, Norman

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Norman,

I have done this (repinning) for pianos for years, but the corrosion returns every time.  I have never found a treatment (short of soaking in ammonia) that will remove the verdigris or prevent it from recurring.  Lubricants are only temporary.

Has anyone got the reference for the previous verdigris thread that Lucinda mentioned? I presume that my approach is in it – normal use of a flange bushing reamer. Quite feasible to do in your customer's home, particularly when the main offenders are the hammershank flanges.

(a) Disassemble each flange. (b) Ream the felt bushings. (c) Reassemble with a new pin that is the same size as the old one,

If you haven't done the process before, start a little slowly. If you over-ream, you will need to move up to the next center pin size. You quickly get a feel for how much to ream.

Regards, Norman

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:26:00 PM
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:16:00 PM
From: Blaine Hebert
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Norman,

I have done this (repinning) for pianos for years, but the corrosion returns every time.  I have never found a treatment (short of soaking in ammonia) that will remove the verdigris or prevent it from recurring.  Lubricants are only temporary.

------------------------------
Blaine Hebert RPT
Duarte CA
(626) 390-0512

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:42
From: Norman Brickman
Subject: verdigris remediation

Has anyone got the reference for the previous verdigris thread that Lucinda mentioned? I presume that my approach is in it – normal use of a flange bushing reamer. Quite feasible to do in your customer's home, particularly when the main offenders are the hammershank flanges.

(a) Disassemble each flange. (b) Ream the felt bushings. (c) Reassemble with a new pin that is the same size as the old one,

If you haven't done the process before, start a little slowly. If you over-ream, you will need to move up to the next center pin size. You quickly get a feel for how much to ream.

Regards, Norman

------------------------------
Norman Brickman
Potomac Piano Service
Potomac, Maryland
potomacpiano@verizon.net
https://potomacpiano.com
(301) 983.9321

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:15
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 13:28
From: Alan Eder
Subject: verdigris remediation

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 12:45
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 09:52
From: Douglas Mahard
Subject: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 11/8/2023 9:28:00 AM
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

Just yesterday I dealt with this in the home. 

My first attack was with fomblin which worked well in the bass and tenor (for whatever reason) but things were worse in the top two sections and simply would not free up consistently.  

So I decided to use 301. I took each shank and flange off one at a time and applied 301 and started working the flange up and down as well as slight sideways pressure to squeeze out the goo which I wiped with a paper towel. Reapplied 301 and repeated till virtually no more goop squeezed out. Flange was free like a ball bearing. Repeated from 88 down through top two sections (all I really had time for and bottom two were good enough to satisfy.

Everyone was happy 

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 06-19-2024 16:28
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:26:00 PM
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:16:00 PM
From: Blaine Hebert
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Norman,

I have done this (repinning) for pianos for years, but the corrosion returns every time.  I have never found a treatment (short of soaking in ammonia) that will remove the verdigris or prevent it from recurring.  Lubricants are only temporary.

------------------------------
Blaine Hebert RPT
Duarte CA
(626) 390-0512

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:42
From: Norman Brickman
Subject: verdigris remediation

Has anyone got the reference for the previous verdigris thread that Lucinda mentioned? I presume that my approach is in it – normal use of a flange bushing reamer. Quite feasible to do in your customer's home, particularly when the main offenders are the hammershank flanges.

(a) Disassemble each flange. (b) Ream the felt bushings. (c) Reassemble with a new pin that is the same size as the old one,

If you haven't done the process before, start a little slowly. If you over-ream, you will need to move up to the next center pin size. You quickly get a feel for how much to ream.

Regards, Norman

------------------------------
Norman Brickman
Potomac Piano Service
Potomac, Maryland
potomacpiano@verizon.net
https://potomacpiano.com
(301) 983.9321

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:15
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 13:28
From: Alan Eder
Subject: verdigris remediation

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 12:45
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 09:52
From: Douglas Mahard
Subject: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 11/8/2023 9:28:00 AM
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

I ordered the TSI-321 not quite realizing this wasn't the same product. According to the website it is the same chemical but without the solvent, so it is better for using with plastics. Any ideas about what the solvent is and if it is part of the reason why it is effective with verdigris?

Just yesterday I dealt with this in the home. 

My first attack was with fomblin which worked well in the bass and tenor (for whatever reason) but things were worse in the top two sections and simply would not free up consistently.  

So I decided to use 301. I took each shank and flange off one at a time and applied 301 and started working the flange up and down as well as slight sideways pressure to squeeze out the goo which I wiped with a paper towel. Reapplied 301 and repeated till virtually no more goop squeezed out. Flange was free like a ball bearing. Repeated from 88 down through top two sections (all I really had time for and bottom two were good enough to satisfy.

Everyone was happy 

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 06-19-2024 16:28
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:26:00 PM
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:16:00 PM
From: Blaine Hebert
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Norman,

I have done this (repinning) for pianos for years, but the corrosion returns every time.  I have never found a treatment (short of soaking in ammonia) that will remove the verdigris or prevent it from recurring.  Lubricants are only temporary.

------------------------------
Blaine Hebert RPT
Duarte CA
(626) 390-0512

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:42
From: Norman Brickman
Subject: verdigris remediation

Has anyone got the reference for the previous verdigris thread that Lucinda mentioned? I presume that my approach is in it – normal use of a flange bushing reamer. Quite feasible to do in your customer's home, particularly when the main offenders are the hammershank flanges.

(a) Disassemble each flange. (b) Ream the felt bushings. (c) Reassemble with a new pin that is the same size as the old one,

If you haven't done the process before, start a little slowly. If you over-ream, you will need to move up to the next center pin size. You quickly get a feel for how much to ream.

Regards, Norman

------------------------------
Norman Brickman
Potomac Piano Service
Potomac, Maryland
potomacpiano@verizon.net
https://potomacpiano.com
(301) 983.9321

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:15
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 13:28
From: Alan Eder
Subject: verdigris remediation

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 12:45
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 09:52
From: Douglas Mahard
Subject: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 11/8/2023 9:28:00 AM
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

I ordered the TSI-321 not quite realizing this wasn't the same product. According to the website it is the same chemical but without the solvent, so it is better for using with plastics. Any ideas about what the solvent is and if it is part of the reason why it is effective with verdigris?

Just yesterday I dealt with this in the home. 

My first attack was with fomblin which worked well in the bass and tenor (for whatever reason) but things were worse in the top two sections and simply would not free up consistently.  

So I decided to use 301. I took each shank and flange off one at a time and applied 301 and started working the flange up and down as well as slight sideways pressure to squeeze out the goo which I wiped with a paper towel. Reapplied 301 and repeated till virtually no more goop squeezed out. Flange was free like a ball bearing. Repeated from 88 down through top two sections (all I really had time for and bottom two were good enough to satisfy.

Everyone was happy 

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 06-19-2024 16:28
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:26:00 PM
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 6/19/2024 3:16:00 PM
From: Blaine Hebert
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Norman,

I have done this (repinning) for pianos for years, but the corrosion returns every time.  I have never found a treatment (short of soaking in ammonia) that will remove the verdigris or prevent it from recurring.  Lubricants are only temporary.

------------------------------
Blaine Hebert RPT
Duarte CA
(626) 390-0512

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:42
From: Norman Brickman
Subject: verdigris remediation

Has anyone got the reference for the previous verdigris thread that Lucinda mentioned? I presume that my approach is in it – normal use of a flange bushing reamer. Quite feasible to do in your customer's home, particularly when the main offenders are the hammershank flanges.

(a) Disassemble each flange. (b) Ream the felt bushings. (c) Reassemble with a new pin that is the same size as the old one,

If you haven't done the process before, start a little slowly. If you over-ream, you will need to move up to the next center pin size. You quickly get a feel for how much to ream.

Regards, Norman

------------------------------
Norman Brickman
Potomac Piano Service
Potomac, Maryland
potomacpiano@verizon.net
https://potomacpiano.com
(301) 983.9321

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 14:15
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

Alan,

A carefully calculated "squirt"!  

A dinky squirt didnt change much. Actually about 5-8% I think is what I added to supercharge it. Works great!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 13:28
From: Alan Eder
Subject: verdigris remediation

Added it to your CBL, Peter? In what proportion?

Alan 

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 12:45
From: Peter Grey
Subject: verdigris remediation

I second Chris' results. It's darn good stuff.  I have added it to my CBL and...WOW!

Peter Grey Piano Doctor 

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 11-08-2023 09:52
From: Douglas Mahard
Subject: verdigris remediation

Original Message:
Sent: 11/8/2023 9:28:00 AM
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: RE: verdigris remediation

Hi Folks,

To summarize: One you need equipment, one seizes the center for 24 hours, and the other turns them grey and brings you back to the farm. 

Those don't sound like good solutions to me.

I recently discovered TSI-301.

Its been around for decades, its been vetted by the fishing industry as the superior lubricant.

It was made for NASA. 

On their website they give the complete description of how it works and it's chemical properties. They also made a friendly to plastic version called tsi321. 

This stuff is incredible. It basically goes under any contaminate and bonds to the pores of the metal. And because of its chemical properties removes water and other contaminates from the action center. 

Go here to see my experiments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ek2JDikgrY&t=18s

and the vergris test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiMKywjWrM&t=173s

And the amazing fishing reel video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2B7k_JmRiA

Their website on how it works.

http://tsi301.com/issynthetic.htm

And its pretty inexpensive as well. Its a high performance compound that is a lubricant, antiseize, penetrant, and cleaner.

Best stuff i ever found.

-chris

------------------------------
Chernobieff Piano Restorations

"The Piano Whisperer"
Maker of the finest maximum output piano soundboards. (Osage Orange Bridge Caps, Norway Spruce Panels, Engineered Ribs, Sustain Bar)

Inventor of Inertia Touch Wave (Real Dynamic Inertia Control and Smoothness)

865-986-7720 (text only please)

Original Message:
Sent: 11-06-2023 21:36
From: Lucinda Strehlow
Subject: verdigris remediation

Some time ago (a year? or two?) there was a good-sized thread about various ways to deal with verdigris. Our chapter had plans to do some experimenting, and our program coordinator was sent a pile of infected shanks and flanges. I snared a sonic jewelry cleaner from the thrift store, (I can't remember if this was part of the semi-recent thread, but I remember there was some enthusiasm about it years ago), why not try that too, for fun if nothing else? 

The plans got put on the back-burner but may resurface this season. In the meantime I would sure love to see that thread again. John Minor recently sent our chapter links to the Jim Moy stuff, but neither of us could turn up this thread. 

If any of you can retrieve it, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy Strehlow RPT, Central Illinois Chapter

------------------------------
Cindy Strehlow, RPT
Urbana, IL
------------------------------

I have to ask the practitioners, how much more economically viable is this multi step process compared to replacing the flanges from the get-go?

I ordered the TSI-321 not quite realizing this wasn't the same product. According to the website it is the same chemical but without the solvent, so it is better for using with plastics. Any ideas about what the solvent is and if it is part of the reason why it is effective with verdigris?

Just yesterday I dealt with this in the home. 

My first attack was with fomblin which worked well in the bass and tenor (for whatever reason) but things were worse in the top two sections and simply would not free up consistently.  

So I decided to use 301. I took each shank and flange off one at a time and applied 301 and started working the flange up and down as well as slight sideways pressure to squeeze out the goo which I wiped with a paper towel. Reapplied 301 and repeated till virtually no more goop squeezed out. Flange was free like a ball bearing. Repeated from 88 down through top two sections (all I really had time for and bottom two were good enough to satisfy.

Everyone was happy 

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 06-19-2024 16:28
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: verdigris remediation