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Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

  • 1.  Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    The client's piano is an early 90s Steinway B with the hammers soaked through with lacquer, presumably from the factory. What voicing methods are likely to prove effective on these hammers, especially to control the areas that are far too loud in the bass? I have tried some voice needling, and there is no feel for structure in the hammers, no apparent layers. Are there needle techniques that will work better? Or treatment of areas with water/alcohol to swell the felt? Or? Thanks for your advice!



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    David Trasoff
    Whatcom Piano Service
    (360) 389-2158
    david@whatcompianoservice.com
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  • 2.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago
    David

    Don't assume the lacquer was done at the factory. It could have been done by a technician who heard adding lacquer gives the piano more power.
    If the hammers are soaked with lacquer to the point where needling isn't going to change the tone, one dramatic way is tip the action stack upside down, so that the hammers are facing down, then soak the hammers with lacquer thinner and blowing the lacquer out with high pressure air hose.

     Wim





  • 3.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago

    Soak the hammers in lacquer thinner and voice while wet.  Check process for "delacquering" hammers in Igrec PIO.



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    Parker Leigh RPT
    Winchester VA
    (540) 722-3865
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  • 4.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 15 days ago
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    Check the attached article for some ideas on removing lacquer. 



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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@gmail.com
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 5.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago

    Mr. Trasoff,

    On Steinway (NY) hammers of that era the preferred technique is single needle, single string, contact point voicing.  It's advisable to start with the una corda position as this will change the normal position sound somewhat. If there aren't string marks on the hammers it's best to find a way to mark the hammers so you know which string you are needling.  The hammers are only over lacquered if a single needle can't be inserted to 6mm or so without too much effort. The Steinway technical reference has a good description of single needle voicing and marking the hammers. Needling the shoulders on these hammers is an exercise in futility



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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 6.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago
    While single needle voicing, as invented by Ron Coners,  is the official norm for Steinways (as far as I know), my own experience has led me to believe that deep shoulder needling of the same sort as used on Abels and Renners works quite well on Steinway hammers- assuming they aren't over lacquered and the needles will penetrate. 

    I first discovered this when doing maintenance voicing on Ds in my recital hall. I tried it, I liked it, I have continued to do it as a matter of course for many years. The result is what you get from the denser hammers: larger tonal gradient. This assumes a pattern that retains a sort of sharp diamond or water drop shape of untouched felt from the point of the crown around the tip of the molding..

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." Mompou






  • 7.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago
    I've used the single needle voicing technique for many years on Steinway, Abel and Renner hammers. But I think the original problem was that the hammers had so much lacquer in them that all the needles did was poke holes in the hammers but did nothing to change the tone. 





  • 8.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago
    With over lacquered hammers, inserting a needle just makes a hole. The purpose of needling, in my opinion (and that of many others) is to spread the fibers in the shoulder apart. The full mechanism of what this does is unclear, but the result is that the hammer now produces a much wider range of tone color depending on force of blow.

    Hammers whose shoulders haven't been "opened up" have a monotone quality: increase in volume with minimal change in tone color. Some pianists apparently like monotone. In my experience, though, sensitive and accomplished pianists who look for nuance and subtle expression in their playing are delighted when presented with a piano that has been well-prepped, including travel, square, level strings, hammers that have been shoulder needled deeply, and mated hammers, together with a meticulous regulation. 

    It's "magic" but it is actually just detail-oriented hard work. The result is a piano that can sing, that can be an orchestra. If all you do is stick needles into hammers, you won't get this result. 

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." Mompou






  • 9.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    Mr. Sturm,

    While Ron Coners was indeed a master of single needle voicing as well as the best pure aural tuner I have ever known, he didn't invent single needle voicing. That distinction belongs to Alfred Brendel. He taught it to Ron who taught it to the rest of us in the C&A department and from there it spread to the factory. 



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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 10.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago
    Karl,
    I don't suppose anyone specifically invented voicing with a single needle :-) When I said "as invented by Ron Coners," I was referring to his specific method (as it was passed to me by the Steinway guys in the early 2000s): insert the single needle directly down from the top of the crown as the norm, and with a fairly long needle (I'd say 8 mm or so).

    Virgil Smith worked closely with Brendel, as related in some detail in Virgil's Autobiography. As Virgil described it, this consisted almost entirely of "voicing for evenness,"  meticulously going after each note to make it even with its neighbors - something I'd refer to a cosmetic voicing. (Virgil noted that "Only later did I learn that the results would be much better when I included hammer shaping and fitting hammers to the strings.") I'm sure Coners worked with Brendel in the same fashion - and came away with the impression that "evenness is God."

    That was the approach that I was taught at Steinway: lacquer until everything is "bright enough," then needle for evenness. At the time I was there, no mention was made of such things as hammer mating, and the travel and square I noted in the pianos I worked on (four in four separate years) all were very deficient in those elements. There was also no mention of development of a tonal gradient in each hammer.

    This approach is very much in contrast with that in Europe, which I got to experience up close when spending two weeks at the Sauter factory. Travel was impeccable. Hammers were hung very precisely, and then were very meticulously adjusted individually. Strings were leveled to the hammers (each hammer raised to its strings, strings bent to mate with extraordinary precision - I thought I was pretty good in that department, but the Klavierbaumeister was able to pick out every single niggling inaccuracy, just by fairly quickly playing scales). And every single hammer was deep shoulder needled. (All these things true of uprights as well as grands).

    With all this in place, finish voicing, though it included "voicing down to even out," concentrated on making sure that every hammer produced a tone that rises (es muss steigen, they told me), often involving a deep needle into the core that would release compression and give the hammer more oomph.

    Two diametrically different approaches to hammers. I'm sure lots of pianists are happy with one, the other, or both approaches. Personally, I (as a pianist) vastly prefer the European approach, and this preference is echoed by my customers' response to that approach.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    fssturm@gmail.com
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  • 11.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    First determine whether a single needle can be inserted more than 1 mm.  If not, apply the over lacquering techniques as discussed.  The shoulders need to be

    resilient no matter what. Lacquering the shoulders will kill sustain and lead to poor tone.



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    Parker Leigh RPT
    Winchester VA
    (540) 722-3865
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  • 12.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    There are three levels/stages of the application of chemical stiffeners. First, the dose is light and small enough that individual fibers themselves are coated, slowing down the felt's elastic reaction and damping the lowest partial tones. The second is when the dose is strong enough that when individual fibers are close enough or even touching, they are glued together, further eliminating the elastic reaction. The third, and most damaging, is when the air space between fibers is filled in. The hammer's elastic reaction is no longer possible,and all that sets up on the string is collision noise, followed by ugly high partials.

    The late, great piano technician, Frank Hansen, once remarked, "you only have one shot to get the dose right."



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    William Ballard RPT
    WBPS
    Saxtons River VT
    802-869-3161

    "Our lives contain a thousand springs
    and dies if one be gone
    Strange that a harp of a thousand strings
    should keep in tune so long."
    ...........Dr. Watts, "The Continental Harmony,1774
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  • 13.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    And...

    Old lacquer is not the same as new lacquer. Over time key chemical components that add some flexibility evaporate, and the lacquer gets harder and non-pliable. 30 year old SS hammers are not the same animals as when they were new. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 14.  RE: Voicing Steinway Lacquered Hammers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    Instead of lacquer use fresh shellac and/or sandarac. For those who truly want to learn about voicing read "The Voice of the Piano."  Many thanks

    to Fred Sturm for an intelligent discussion on voicing.



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    Parker Leigh RPT
    Winchester VA
    (540) 722-3865
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