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  • 1.  Spinet pianos

    Posted 02-26-2022 11:06
    It seems that the designer of the spinet piano was not thinking of the poor soul that had to repair them.  Was it the plan that after 40-50 years, you just bought something else?  In searching for websites that showed how to remove  the hammer on a spinet to repin the flange, a few sites came up but on a console piano.  I'm assuming you would have to take the action out? If not, How do you get the flange screw out and back in  the flange hole with the long stickers in front of you? I have a screw grabber but don't think it would fit between the stickers. 

    On a side note, I was curious to know what the word spinet meant.  Spinae is latin for thorn.  Are spinet pianos not like thorns to work on??

    Looking forward to thoughts, comments, experiences gained by those that have worked on spinets.  

    Thank you!!

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  • 2.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-26-2022 11:54
    Mary.

    To answer your first question. Yes, spinets were made to only last 40 - 50 years. But then so were the upright pianos made at the turn of the last century. But somehow, we, as the geniuses that we are, have made them last much longer than their life span were supposed to. 

    As far as removing just one hammer/flange from a spinet, yes it can be done, but you'll need the patience of Job, and the physical dexterity of an Olympic gymnast, not to mention long arms and a strong back to continuously bend over the piano. It also helps if you can bend your body in such a way as to sit under the keyboard while holding a flashlight in your mouth, and/or lay on your back and work with your arms above your head for an extended period of time, while trying to find the screw hole. 

    That is why I usually find it easier and less time consuming, not to mention less aggravating, to remove the action. But while you've got the action out, it gives you and excuse to tighten all the screws and look for other broken flanges, and maybe even shape the hammers. That's why replacing one broken flange can take up to 45 minutes to an hour, for which, of course, you need to be compensated. 

    As far as the name, I don't know. The term spinet has been designated to other instruments and even furniture. There must be some other reference to that term, but I don't feel like looking it up. 

    Wim





  • 3.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-26-2022 13:16

    Yes, most spinets have, by now, exceeded their lifespan. Their owners would be much better off with a new piano. However, for whatever reason, many people just refuse to get rid of them. Money, grandma's piano, etc.

    Because they are, for the most part, in bad shape, this provides a great opportunity to sell a lot of work. Of course, it takes a while to learn how to read the situation and sell to that client, but once you do, spinets can be a lucrative source of income. Not necessarily a fun source, mind you, but a lucrative one. As Wim said, make sure you charge appropriately for any work you do. Almost anything except tuning will take more time than on a direct blow upright. 

    I think most technicians have worked on spinets, at least at some point in their career. Depending on where you are regionally, spinets might be your main piano type. I would advise getting more-than-halfway-decent at working on them. They can be turned into halfway decent instruments when properly and fully maintained. But - also known when you just need to walk away. Some things are just beyond saving. 



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  • 4.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-26-2022 13:26

    Also cheap consoles are on their way out unless somebody wants to spill a bunch of money into them.






  • 5.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Posted 02-26-2022 14:16
    i have approximately 160 customers with spinet pianos, quite many of which i tune once yearly.  Some are decent, some are crappy, some of the Baldwin spinets are 42" in length.
    Whatever their condition, some people have emotional attachment to them and want to keep them alive even though they understand that it's never going to be a great musical instrument.
    I have worked on many spinets, after making sure the owners understood the shortcomings of their spinets:  many times it was replacing elbows or grommets, repairing tight flanges, cleaning and last year i put new hammers on two spinets of a church (insurance paid for it, even though the cost exceeded the value of the instruments).
    Sometimes indeed, i had to advise the owners against putting any money into their spinet as the instruments were beyond being on life support.
    It's important to understand what the owners expect out of the instrument and that we make it clear what can be done.
    Personally, i don't like working on spinets because it's such a hassle but i do make sure to be compensated appropriately. The end result is always a better sounding and playing piano which is a nice reward after struggling with these spinets.
    Peter

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  • 6.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Posted 02-26-2022 15:32

    Yes, you can get the hammer butt out, but I've not done it to repin, but to replace a broken shank. And you can get it back in. If replacing a broken shank, best to glue the hammer back on once the hammer butt is back in place, so you can get the height, etc. right. If you get the new shank fairly firm in the hole, you can use it to help position the butt.

    As to how ... you need a very good flashlight which you can place so that you can see the jack and screw. You definitely need the screw grabber (or that helpful screw starter with the magnet on the reverse end) to retrieve the screw as it often falls back out of the hole multiple times.

    And the capacity for struggle, definitely required. But I've done it more times than I care to remember.






  • 7.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-26-2022 21:50
    I find a good headlamp to be invaluable in these kind of situations. 

    Yes, they were intended to be discarded after one generation (30-40 years). Designers view them as a necessary evil to stay afloat, but like training wheels, the time comes to get a real piano.

    I likewise make sure that the owner knows up front that anything they spend on these is non-retrievable, but purely for their own sense of worth. I will somewhat jokingly say that they are cute little things when they're working well, but the down side is that since so much stuff is crammed into so little space, a repair that should take 10-15 minutes can sometimes take more than an hour...sometimes much more (and it ain't fun so let's hope we don't have to fix much).

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor

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  • 8.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Posted 02-27-2022 07:39
    There are various ways of removing spinet actions depending on how the stickers work.  You have to look carefully; send pictures and I'm sure people will help on this. But IMHO removing the action is essential to work on the action, unless you enjoy frustrated contortions underneath the piano.

    Some spinets are designed so that the stickers/action come out together and stay together.

    Some are designed such that you need a 4'-long wooden piece about 1/2"x1/2" to put in front of the stickers and secure so that the stickers don't go flying.

    Some are designed so that you have other brackets to unscrew to get a sticker rail out; you then have to ensure that the stickers don't come out of the rail as you remove the action.

    As I recently learned, it makes things a lot easier if you remove key damper heads that would be in danger of being caught by action bolts as you pull the action out.

    Some consideration might be given to devising a "hoist" using Velcro and a metal bar (upright from a wall shelving system) such that you can slowly pull the action out and put it in while it's being supported by the hoist, adjusting the level by adjusting length of Velcro one side at a time. It makes these actions much easier to handle.





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  • 9.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Posted 02-27-2022 11:42
    I find that spilt blade screwdriver is a good tool for locking on to the flange screw.  Of course, you will want to disconnect the bridal strap first thing. Disconnecting the sticker from the key may enable the whippen to drop down a bit to improve access to the screw and provide less side stress to the jack. Depending on the piano, you could remove the sticker all together using a center pin extractor. A powerful head lamp works well for direct lighting. 

    I once encountered a spinet that had no bridal straps. The bridal wires were there - but no straps. That's about as low-budget as you can get!

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  • 10.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-27-2022 13:39

    Oh my god, that is perfect.  Whether or not "spinae" is in fact the origin of the word "spinet," we should officially proclaim that it is.  I know a lot of customers are attached to their spinets and they can be adequate, sort of, but when it comes to repairs, they are definitely thorns in our sides.






  • 11.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-27-2022 14:06
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Isaac_Hawkins.  A lot of patents and inventions he made, some of which related to piano building.  Excerpt:

    Pianino

    Hawkins was the first to see the importance of using iron in pianoforte framing. He was living in Philadelphia when he invented and first produced the pianino or cottage pianoforte – the "portable grand" as he then called it – which he patented in 1800.[25] Thomas Jefferson bought one, of 5½ octaves, for $264.[26]

    There had been upright grand pianos as well as upright harpsichords, the horizontal instrument being turned up on its wider end and a keyboard and action adapted to it. William Southwell, an Irish piano-maker, had in 1798 tried a similar experiment with a square piano, to be repeated in later years by William Frederick Collard of London; but Hawkins was the first to make a piano, or pianino, with the strings descending to the floor, the keyboard being raised. His instrument was in a complete iron frame, independent of the case; and in this frame, strengthened by a system of iron resistance rods combined with an iron upper bridge, his sound-board was entirely suspended. An apparatus for tuning by mechanical screws regulated the tension of the strings, which were of equal length throughout. The action, in metal supports, anticipated Robert Wornum's in the checking, and later ideas in a contrivance for repetition. This bundle of inventions was brought to London and exhibited by Hawkins himself; but the instrument was poor in tone.[25]

    And this:

    Spinets as pianos

    Spinet piano made by Baldwin and sold under the brand name Acrosonic. Date of manufacture unknown.
    A spinet piano manufactured by Gulbransen
    Detail of the interior structure of the Gulbransen spinet shown above. The drop action, lying below the level of the keyboard, can be seen, as well as the extreme angling of the strings needed to provide sufficient length of strings within the limited case height. Click on image for expanded view.

    The spinet piano, manufactured from the 1930s until recent times, was the culmination of a trend among manufacturers to make pianos smaller and cheaper. It served the purpose of making pianos available for a low price, for owners who had little space for a piano. Many spinet pianos still exist today, left over from their period of manufacture.

    The defining characteristic of the spinet was its drop action (sometimes called indirect blow action). In this device, the keys did not engage the action directly; rather they pulled upward on rods called "stickers," which in turn pulled upward on levers located below the level of the keyboard, which in turn engaged the action. The stickers were sufficiently long that the hammer heads (the highest part of the action) ended up at roughly the same vertical level as the keyboard.

    Thanks to the drop action, spinet pianos could be made very small; the top of a spinet rose only a few inches above the level of the keyboard itself (see image above). However, according to piano author Larry Fine,[5] the cost in quality was considerable. The stickers were "often noisy and troublesome." Moreover, to make room for them, the keys had to be made shorter, resulting in "very poor leverage" and thus a poor sense of touch and control for the player. Lastly, the very short strings of the spinet resulted in a narrow range of harmonics and thus in poor tone quality.

    The spinet was also the bane of piano technicians. Concerning the difficulty of servicing them, Fine writes

    Spinets ... are very difficult to service because even the smallest repair requiring removal of the action becomes a major ordeal. Each of the connecting stickers has to be disconnected and tied up to the action and all the keys have to be removed from the piano before the action can be lifted out.[6]

    Piano spinet history

    According to piano historian Arthur Loesser (1954), the first spinet piano was offered to the public in May 1935, by an American manufacturer Loesser does not identify. However, according to the Blue Book of Pianos, this manufacturer was Winter and Company (which eventually became part of the Aeolian-American Corporation)[7] who sold this piano as the Winter "Musette".[8][9] The Musette, along with its spinet cousins, were initially a success, being the only kind of piano that many people could afford in the depths of the Great Depression. (According to Loesser, the price could be less than $300, "about twenty-five percent lower than ... a small upright of 1924.") Loesser notes that the spinet was not entirely new, as very small pianos had been manufactured at various times in the 19th century.[10]

    After the 1930s, many people still continued to purchase spinets; a 1947 study showed that about 50 percent of all pianos sold during that production year were pianos strung vertically of 37 inches in height or less.[11] The spinet enjoyed decades of popularity after the 1930s, but production was halted in the early 1990s.

    Most of which we already know.  FWIW.



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  • 12.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Member
    Posted 02-27-2022 18:10
    Mary

    I just did a similar repair on a spinet last week. You do not need to take the action out and for a center pin it is probably a waste of time to remove it. All of the drop action stickers are mounted at the top at the end of the key in some fashion.  Depending on the make of the action, it will slide out of a slot at the end of the key or is attached to a flange that can be unscrewed. You will most likely need to release the drop sticker for both the note that you are working on and one on a key on one side or the the other. Once you do that you will be able to move them aside far enough to get in to the flange screw. I lay a LED flat faced flashlight face down on the back of the keys and it gets me enough light to see into the action. As was said, detach the bridle strap. One of the metal spreaders designed to be place between the jack tender and the letoff button will keep the jack back and out of the way. Start to loosen the screw with an action screw driver but do not remove it. Once loose, reach in with the screw grabber and remove the screw. The flange and hammer can then be removed from the top of the action. To replace it, reverse the process, being sure that the hammer butt spring is beside the hammer butt so that it will not get caught. Use the screw driver to make sure that the flange is snug in place against the hammer rail and insert the screw with the screw grabber, starting it into the hole. When it is started, switch to the screw driver and tighten the screw. Remove the jack spreader, attach the bridle strap. Be sure that the jack is not jamming on the hammer butt and reattach the drop stickers to the keys. Finally, put the hammer butt spring back into it's slot.

    I think that covers all aspects of the repair. The trickiest part is to be sure that you have control over the screw at all times so you don't drop it. If you do it is sometimes possible to work it between the wippens and let it drop out the bottom of the action.

    Hope that gives you some added confidence to tackle what can seem like a difficult job.


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    Rex Roseman
    Akron OH
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  • 13.  RE: Spinet pianos

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-27-2022 19:42
    I agree with Rex given the potential for collateral damage when removing delicate old drop actions. Old rubber grommets may work fine if left in place but will tear or crumble when removed, some of the pianos have plastic elbows or flanges that are brittle, the list goes on. It takes a lot of focus to remove a part from a drop action when it's in place but it might save a good deal of time and frustration in the long run. My screw starter has a magnet at the other end. Both are essential.
    That said, there are some drop actions that have a top stack and a lower stack and the upper part can be lifted out without disturbing the sticker arrangement, Chickering did this I believe. Those are more serviceable but they do have their quirks too.

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