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A less I never seem to learn

  • 1.  A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-12-2026 02:18

    Today I met a new customer with a nice Kawai studio console that they recently purchased from another party.  The piano was at pitch and the tuning sounded good with only a few strings out, so I offered to only touch it up and charge for a simple service call.

    An hour later I had done nearly a full tuning and still wasn't completely happy.  

    I should never do this, there seems to be no such thing as touching up a tuning.

    When will I learn?



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 2.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-12-2026 07:25

    Hi Blaine -

    Been there, done that - lesson learned.

    I frequently do "touch up" tunings but have learned to wait until I'm finished to say anything to the client. I came across one just a few days ago. Nothing on the piano had changed more than a few cents since the last tuning.  Many notes in the midrange were within one or two cents - inexplicable. It took about twenty minutes.   

    Too often, though, it goes as you described.  



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    Gerry Johnston
    Haverhill, MA
    gj@gjpianotuner.com
    www.gjpianotuner.com
    (978) 372-2250
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  • 3.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-12-2026 07:58
    Two stories. 

    Early in my career I was asked to tune a piano in the dining room of a large church just a few miles from my house. I thought that if I told them the piano didn't need to be tuned, they would be impressed that I wanted to save them money and ask me to tune all the pianos in the future. I lived in St. Lois for 25 years, but they never called me. From then on, I tuned and charged the full fee, regardless of how the piano sounded. 

    Which came in handy when I lived in Hawaii. The temperature and humidity in Hawaii is very stable. For a lot of my pre-scheduled pianos, the client told me the last time the piano was played was last year when I tuned it. Those pianos were very stable, to the point it basically didn't need to be tuned. I did it anyway and collected my full tuning fee. 





  • 4.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Posted 06-13-2026 07:55

    I agree. "Just needs a touch-up" infers that they don't want to pay for a full tuning. I only do a "touch-up" when I've installed new strings that need to be raised... or it's ten minutes before the concert!



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    Philip Jamison
    West Chester PA
    (610) 696-8449
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  • 5.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-13-2026 10:17

    I go by the rule: "there is no such thing as a touch-up tuning" since I have to carefully check every note on the piano (like the dentist has to check every tooth in the mouth...no discount for less teeth).

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 6.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-13-2026 10:43

    What I find most often is that the low tenor has gone south.  That means at least an octave of tuning, most often caused by weather.  If it's a couple unisons out, here and there, I might straighten them out.  Anything more I'll charge by the time it takes, depending upon what else I was there to do in the first place.



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    Paul McCloud, RPT
    Accutone Piano Service
    www.AccutonePianoService.com
    pavadasa@gmail.com
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  • 7.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-13-2026 10:48

    We keep learning, even late in our careers.  Yes, I sometimes think the best thing I can do for a customer is to give them a good deal, but these days I am mostly successful in resisting that urge.  However, there are a few situations where I don't charge my standard tuning fee.  One is where I arrive to find a piano that is a disaster, like I start tuning a 100-year-old piano and five bass strings break less than 10 minutes after starting.  I tell the customer that it's best to give up and get another piano, and give them advice on how to look for one that's in their budget.  (I always prepare customers for this possibility when I learn they have an old piano, even though I haven't had this kind of disaster for about a year.)  This kind of appointment takes substantially less time than a regular tuning, so I charge my service call fee plus a fee for the time spent.  I don't lose out because it puts me ahead of schedule, and I'm usually behind.

    The other situation is with longtime customers with high-quality pianos that I tune often, sometimes several times in one month.  I know that these jobs will not take as long as a regular tuning, and I charge by the hour from the time I leave home.

    With both of these customers, I receive an hourly rate that is close to the average I get for other work, and the longtime customers have referred many other customers to me.  So I am definitely not being a sucker for charging these fees.

    So yes, you should definitely not shortchange yourself.  But charging less than the standard tuning fee makes sense in a few situations.  






  • 8.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-13-2026 15:47

    Ha, reminds me of a job I took, 16 upright pianos on stage to be tuned for 32 pianists playing simultaneously. I was told they would be in tune, only needed "touch-ups." When I arrived, the pianos were A 438 to 444, and everywhere in between. Fortunately I didn't give a special "touch-up" price.



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    Tim Foster RPT
    New Oxford PA
    (470) 231-6074
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  • 9.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-14-2026 15:44
    5 broken bass strings sounds like a lot. If it’s not your habit, I highly recommend lubricating the bearing points on old pianos, or even unknown new(er) pianos. Once I started doing that, I break extremely few bass strings, even on old and rusty strings.

    We have set aside our time for an appointment, prepared physically and mentally for the challenges, so I don’t see any good reason to not charge your regular service fee.


    Joe Wiencek




  • 10.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-14-2026 19:25

    The piano that suffered 5 broken bass strings was built in the 1880s.  I rarely lube strings, although sometimes I lower the pitch a bit before trying to raise it.  I consider it a stress test on the piano.  Breaking strings are generally a sign of age, neglect (by letting the piano sit in a damp environment) or both.  Perhaps not in every case.  But there are so many people who hang onto old pianos of marginal condition, and I find it a bit dispiriting.  If strings break, it's a sign to get a newer piano.  This doesn't happen often, maybe once every few months.  When someone has an old junky piano, I like to have reasons to encourage them to get a better one.  






  • 11.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-14-2026 19:27
    Been there, done that. Hundreds of times.

    Best, Peter

    please disregard any Siri errors
    Sent from my iPhone





  • 12.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-15-2026 01:28

    My sympathies go out to you on your five broken bass strings.  I have (thankfully) not had to replace a bass string in quite a while, though I do carry a full set of universals at all times.  I now "generously" drop pitch on any piano that I even suspect might possibly break a bass string.  While I don't like to recommend applying lube to wound strings I do sometimes cheat and apply the most very lightest possible tiny amount to the contact points prior to dropping the pitch and tuning (it only takes a fraction of a second per string).  I believe that my generous dropping of the pitch polishes the contact point and prevents further excess friction.  If the piano has been recently tuned then the polishing has been done and I seldom have breaking trouble.  Pianos that are heavily played (restaurant pianos and enthusiastic church services) are a completely different story.



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 13.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-15-2026 21:39

    Once a piano goes past 40 years old ANYTHING can (and likely will) happen. Owners need to know that their precious century old piano is well into its 3rd lifetime. It was never designed or intended to go that far. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 14.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-15-2026 22:19
    That's what I tell my customers. A piano's life span is basically the same as people. Most last 70 - 90 years, some die at a younger age, and some can live as long as 110. But the older they get, the more "help" they need, even to the point of replacing parts. 





  • 15.  RE: A less I never seem to learn

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-16-2026 02:07

    In a previous life I taught college biology.  A research paper I came across was about a new way to date DNA changes in animals to predict their life spans.  Many different animals were put onto a chart that precicted their natural life spans (mice, one year, rats two years, wild dogs 7 years, some whales 200 years, some sharks 600 years, etc.).  When they put humans on that graph we came out to have a natural lifespan (cave men, not modern humans) of 38.6 years, or basically 40 years, about the same as what a piano was intended to survive.  But humans regularly make it to 100, as do pianos.  So, anything past 40 years is done with medicine or good repairs and maintenence!  (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-54447-w) 

    Enjoy your second half!



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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