Must have been the summa at Dahtmuth. 😉
Original Message:
Sent: 08-25-2022 10:53
From: Susan Kline
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
My dad grew up in Connecticut and New York. My grandad was a Manhattan patent attorney.
I spent a summer at Dartmouth ... Zoltan Kodaly signed my copy of the solo sonata. And a summer in Connecticut at a Yale chamber music course out in the country.
I've read various fairly old books, mostly British, pre-computer, even pre-TV. (The garden was a lot better before I got the computer web connection.) And I spent nine years in Canada. My diploma from the George Brown two year course (Toronto) has a gold seal with a little blue ribbon, which has "Honours" printed on it in gold letters.
("Chequered past" as they would spell it.)
Not sure the exact arrival of "wicked sharp."
Original Message:
Sent: 8/25/2022 9:43:00 AM
From: Peter Grey
Subject: RE: Baldwin Hamilton
Susan,
Are you actually from the New England area? Or spent time here? "Wicked sharp" is a very New Englandy expression. I don't believe I've heard anyone use it outside of this corner of the planet.
I agree...that thing is WICKED SHAAHP!
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
Original Message:
Sent: 08-25-2022 07:38
From: Jon Page
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
There are two iterations of Ecsaine. The slightly darker, thinner one has a coating to aid in grabbing and is used on the catchers. The thicker is used on the butts and requires considerable capstan and Let Off adjustment. You can use PVC-E glue and glue in a two-step process. You have to first use a hacksaw blade, of appropriate thickness, to clean out the slot in the butt. You might have to crimp the end to fit the slot.
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Regards,
Jon Page
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http://www.pianocapecod.com
Original Message:
Sent: 08-25-2022 02:20
From: Susan Kline
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
Baldwin used to send out packets of precut ecsaine for this repair when the pianos were still under warranty. The pieces for both places were the same dimensions. Schaff's ecsaine also comes in two thicknesses. My guess (purely a guess) would be that the thinner version is probably the right one.
You can figure out what size you need by removing a hammer assembly, taking off the corfam carefully, and measuring. Then make samples of ecsaine, and install them to see if they are right.
The best way to make the right sized pieces from a bulk sheet is to buy a quilter's cutting mat (green with yellow lines on it) and a rotary cutter. You'll need a very good metal straight edge. I have a great one, metal, was intended to be a carpet installer's stair tool. I had it for cutting mats when framing pictures.
I'll see if I can find you the right gear on Amazon ...
mat: 18"x24" is a comfortable size, though I have a bigger one for cutting certain things.
https://smile.amazon.com/US-Art-Supply-Professional-Scrapbooking/dp/B00L5I8RII/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2E8DWL9PF3MCS&keywords=quilter%27s%2Bcutting%2Bmat&qid=1661408144&sprefix=quilter%27s%2Bcuttin%2Caps%2C4002&sr=8-1-spons&smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB&th=1
cutter -- Fiskars, that's the one. Be sure not to cut yourself. It's wicked sharp. Not a bad idea to have a spare blade in case you get a ding on the first one.
https://smile.amazon.com/Fiskars-Classic-Stick-Rotary-Cutter/dp/B005NAG9BQ/ref=sr_1_5?crid=5T3PHXCW7SCW&keywords=rotary+cutter&qid=1661408238&sprefix=rotary+cutter%2Caps%2C175&sr=8-5
Original Message:
Sent: 8/25/2022 12:26:00 AM
From: Patrick Greene
Subject: RE: Baldwin Hamilton
Hello Patrick
$1000 is about right. I said I would fix the 5 worst notes that were acting up for $100 - never realizing that it is the corfam that is the issue. I just thought it was verdigris on the brass center pins. Live and learn.. Hopefully I can fix a few notes for this customer and let her know that it will keep getting worse.
Susan. Thank you for all the info. I will use this info.
Schaff has escaine, but it comes in 7/16" W x .73" thick. Is that the correct dimensions for what I need? Thanks again!
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Patrick Greene
OWNER
Knoxville TN
(865) 384-6582
Original Message:
Sent: 08-24-2022 18:19
From: Patrick Draine
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
Well Susan, I wouldn't do this job again (which of course involves reshaping the hammers, and checking and correcting every flanges' friction, of which there will be many despite initial observations), for less than $1K.
Now, if the owner replies "Yes, please!", perhaps I've underpriced the job.
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Patrick Draine RPT
Billerica MA
(978) 663-9690
Original Message:
Sent: 08-24-2022 17:49
From: Susan Kline
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
You all seem awfully negative about the possibilities. Having done the replacement job several times, I don't think it should really be all that awful, assuming the piano doesn't have any other major technical issues.??
Just get ecsaine, remove the corfam, glue on the ecsaine. Putting some white glue on the piece of ecsaine, and one drop of CA glue on the catch will enable the glue to set up very quickly, saving you any need for clamping. For the hammer butt, where the jack will slide along, it's best to glue the ends. Put one drop of CA down near the butt felt, being careful not to wet it, glue on that end, once they all have set up, you can put another drop up near the other end, pull on the ecsaine (a modest amount of white glue on it), and stick it down. Of course it's easier with the hammer assemblies out, which means a spacing issue putting them back in. You can make that easier if you do a light hammer filing while they are out.
A Baldwin Hamilton isn't all that bad an upright, except for the corfam. The corfam isn't the company's fault. It was a crazy time, which suede in women's garments was all the rage, and the cost of the leather went through the roof. A Baldwin Hamilton from that era can be a good workhorse for a piano teacher. And you won't get any more of this quality of Baldwin, given that they went bankrupt, changed hands, and the factory moved to China. China has so many difficulties, mostly chronic, that the future of that factory is in grave doubt. Best to save what we have, and some corfam shouldn't stop us dead in our tracks.
Original Message:
Sent: 8/24/2022 12:43:00 PM
From: Patrick Greene
Subject: RE: Baldwin Hamilton
You all are correct that the cost of replacing the corfam on the hammer butts and back checks exceeds the value of the instrument. Is there anything that I could do to help the action "muddle through"? Could I just coat the area with some dry teflon powder or McLube each time I tune the piano? The hammers and jacks are moving freely, so it is definitely the corfam that is the problem..
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Patrick Greene
OWNER
Knoxville TN
(865) 384-6582
Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2022 14:31
From: Steven Rosenthal
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
I agree with Jon's prescription, that's not graphite that you see, it's the black corfam disintegrating into a powder, you can see it's wearing down to the canvas-like backing. You have to do both the butts and catchers or problems will persist.
Also agree the work exceeds the value of the instrument.
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Steven Rosenthal RPT
Honolulu HI
(808) 521-7129
Original Message:
Sent: 08-12-2022 00:35
From: Patrick Greene
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
Thank you guys for your good input. I had suspected that I would need to repin most of the flanges. Just was trying to get around it. :-/
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Patrick Greene
OWNER
Knoxville TN
(865) 384-6582
Original Message:
Sent: 08-11-2022 20:51
From: Jon Page
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
I reread the original post, the pinning seems to be fine. It's the Corfam that is the issue.
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Regards,
Jon Page
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http://www.pianocapecod.com
Original Message:
Sent: 08-11-2022 20:49
From: Jon Page
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
While the hammers are off the rail. I'd repin and replace the Corfam on the catchers and butts. I'd also reshape the hammers on an oscillating spindle sander because you'll never get the string cuts to realign. I'd also be inclined to taper the moldings, left side in the bass, right side in the tenor and both sides from just below the first treble break. The top octave I would taper more aggressively.
The cost of repairs will outweigh the value of the piano.
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Regards,
Jon Page
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http://www.pianocapecod.com
Original Message:
Sent: 08-11-2022 17:39
From: Patrick Draine
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
As Jon noted, the buckskin that should be on the hammer butt and catcher is "corfam 1", a black material. It's different than "corfam 2" which is tan. "Corfam 1"'s worst aspect is that the glue attaching it to the butt often fails, allowing it to flap around and interfere with the jack (especially on its return). The butt catcher usually functions acceptably but it may wear and cause poor checking. "Corfam 2" quickly lost all characteristics similar to buckskin, aside from its color. It became rock hammer, making noise when the backcheck and jack made contact. Checking eventually gets to be a random event (rather than consistent).
Both versions suffered from extremely high friction in the hammer, wippen, and jack flanges.
Replacing the corfam with ecsaine, and repinning all these flanges can return the piano to become an acceptable starter piano.
At minimum treat the flange bushings with an alcohol-water solution, to shrink the felt bushing, and hopefully reduce the friction. Then check all the centers & repin as necessary. Check all the hammer butts for failed/failing glue joints for the corfam.
Good luck! Oh, and replace the bridal straps & reshape the hammers while you're at it.
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Patrick Draine RPT
Billerica MA
(978) 663-9690
Original Message:
Sent: 08-11-2022 11:01
From: Patrick Greene
Subject: Baldwin Hamilton
Good Morning,
I went to look at a customer's Baldwin Hamilton this morning. She complains of sluggish hammers. I noticed quite a bit of graphite on the hammer butts. The jacks are moving freely, as well as the hammers. So I am thinking the buckskin is bad. Didn't Baldwin have some issues with the buckskin being inserted incorrectly on their Baldwin Hamiltons? It had been decades since I saw this issue, so I am thinking that is the problem.
What do you all think based on the attached photo?
Thank you!
Patrick
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Patrick Greene
OWNER
Knoxville TN
(865) 384-6582
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