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  • 1.  budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-29-2024 19:38

    Our new president wants to cut the Federal budget. Somewhere along the way, those cuts are going to come down to have an impact on us. Universities and schools are going to be asked to spend less, and one way or another that's going to mean less money for pianos and piano maintenance. This is not a political post, but a realistic position on how important, or not important, our jobs are.

    There have been several posts lately on how many piano tuners are needed to take care of the instruments in a school. We have developed a formula to figure this out. But try as we may, for the most part, schools are not going to fund piano work just because we ask for it. We need to understand that for the "bean counters" our jobs are not as important we think they are.

    We have to come to the realization that we are not going to have the money that is needed to spend on the pianos in the schools we service. We need to start telling department chairs and deans that their pianos are not going to play and sound like they are supposed to because we have not been given the resources to do that. And we need to make sure the faculty and students understand that. By the same token, we need to be honest with ourselves that we only have so much time and money to take care of those instruments. 

    I have worked for my school for 3 years now and have not had an increase in my budget. I am doing my best to keep the pianos in tune, but come the end of the semester, some of the concert instruments are not going to get tuned. This is what will happen when there are going to be budget cuts. My chair has already been informed. My suggestion for you is to do the same. 

    Wim

     



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  • 2.  RE: budget cuts

    Posted 12-29-2024 20:22
    In other places the time has already come and budgets have been cut for nationally important conservatoires. I tuned for a festival this year and months later am still awaiting payment.

    This scenario is a driving force behind my push to make music speak more emotionally and which it can do when we tune unequally as the composers were writing for. Only when music is experienced as an _essential_ will music and pianos be kept within the priorities for funding.

    Music has increasingly become a sport - how fast people can play how accurately - without reference to emotion at all and this is because the tuning has tuned it out.

    And sport is optional.

    Emotion shouldn't be. 

    I've introduced one or two of our colleagues to the methods I've been employing and they have reported the similar experiences of successes that I've had in recent years.

    This is an arena in which the knock-on effect will feed through to Steinway and the other manufacturers. We have a key with which to make a change, if perhaps you might forgive the pun.

    Best wishes and especially with the coming difficulties in mind,

    David P


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  • 3.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-30-2024 02:29

    Legitimate concerns with comments form the incoming administration about the future of the Dept of Education, at least for public colleges. But it's important not to worry about things that haven't happened yet (generally). It's really impossible to tell at this point what changes will actually be accomplished.

    Honestly, there is, and will be, pressure on colleges and universities to cut tuitions--as well they should. It's probably the sector of highest inflation.  Where that money will come from, however, is unclear and we as tradespeople can't do much about it anyway. 



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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
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  • 4.  RE: budget cuts

    Member
    Posted 12-30-2024 10:00

    Know your audience when communicating. When discussing budgets with department financial managers (think of them as "bean counters" at your own risk), pianos are not musical instruments that require on-going maintenance to sound and play well but, instead they are a large capital investment, subject to continual depreciation, that require on-going funding to maintain their value. Every dollar allocated to inventory maintenance requires a hard-fought battle with every other university department for justification. Justification in financial (not musical) terms - i.e., capital investment, inventory value, expense budgets, depreciation, salvage value, extending usable life, replacement cost, etc. A minor case may be made that school accreditation is dependent on a minimal performance standard of instrument. Other arguments most likely will be ignored; that is the world a university technician signed up for. 



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  • 5.  RE: budget cuts

    Posted 12-30-2024 16:01

    I worry that the department financial managers could balance their budgets in part by putting an increased emphasis on digital versus acoustic pianos. 

    Regards & Happy New Year. Norman.



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    Potomac Piano Service
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  • 6.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-30-2024 23:04

    The one school, a California State college, I still provide service for has cut the budget for piano service every year. I get a a single, six month contract for the year, which means that for six months of the year they receive no piano service. This year they offered a six month contract for just barely enough to service the eight teaching and performance pianos only once. And, this was for a single pass fine tuning only. If I had any problems at least one piano would not receive service at all. I managed to convince them that this was not enough and the met me half way with enough to do at least a couple of the pianos a second time later in the semester. They understand that the nine practice room pianos will not be serviced, at all. And they skipped last year for all the pianos. Now they are asking for second and perhaps third service on several of these teaching and performance pianos. They have realized that the original contract was, as I told them it would be, insufficient and are now offering me an amended contract to take care of their additional requests. It doesn't extend the contract time, and it still excludes the nine practice pianos. They are, unfortunately, stuck in a bureaucratic bind with everything requiring a board approval. For the most part I like these people. But I'm not willing to give them a discount. I simply have to accept what they are stuck with and tell myself that they are not my pianos to worry about. 



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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
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  • 7.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-31-2024 09:10
    Goeff

    Your experience is the only way the "bean counters" are going to pay attention our predicament. The complaints ha veto come from the faculty and to some degree the students. If they don't complain, then nothing will happen. Unfortunately, what I have found is that most music school professors do not hear that their piano is out of tune. It was very disheartening for me to find out that when I left tuning their studio piano up to the faculty, some of them would not get it done for 4 or 5 years. When I was at Alabama, I tuned all the pianos the first year I got there. By the time I left 6 years later, there were several pianos I I never saw again. 

    Wim 







  • 8.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-31-2024 10:38

    Hi All,

    I'd like to add a small statistic that I think is relevant. Before 1985-ish, states funded state colleges/universities an average of 80 cents to the student dollar, some even more. After that time, states gradually (very gradually) began defunding state schools. By the early 2000's, that number had gone down to 20 cents to the student dollar. With some schools, it is even lower today to the point that some state colleges are bordering on the definition of private schools. That is the primary driver of increased tuition. It is unfortunate that many states have defunded their primary public schools a similar percentage. (WV has been hit particularly hard.) Many public schools don't have endowments; they are hurting. As has been pointed out, private schools and some public schools that have endowments will be doing better. 

    I say this to point out that any future defunding will follow the path that has been ongoing for around 40 years. I'm not sure if we'll see anything sudden unless institutions use more budget cuts as an excuse to take extreme measures, as they have ALREADY done here in WV. Our schools can't handle many more cuts; some have already closed, and some have cut programs. Our local college has cut the arts as well as programs you wouldn't expect, like math. Since WV is sometimes a red-flag of things to come elsewhere, it may be wise to pay attention regardless of any current or predicted events. This isn't new!

    Thanks for the heads-up Wim. This isn't a new problem, but it's going to become critical in the future unless things take a different direction. 

    Maggie



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    Maggie Jusiel, RPT
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
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  • 9.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-31-2024 12:32
    By early 1990, when the Department of Education came about, many state legislatures started to count on federal dollars to fund higher education. Which led to many states to allocate less for education. Then state lotteries came along, with the promise that the money earned from the lottery would go to education. But instead of funneling more money to education, the legislatures gave the schools the same amount as before but used the extra funds for other projects. When the Department of Education is eliminated, states will be left with even less money for education. That's when the budget crunch will happen. (This is just my guess). 

    Wim  





  • 10.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-31-2024 23:50

    If the Department of Education is eliminated (which, if I understand correctly, is something Congress would have to do), my understanding is that the funds the D.O.E. is currently getting would be passed directly to the states, which in theory would mean that even more money could be given to colleges and universities because you essentially cut out the middleman. It’s possible we may actually see an increase in the amount of funding colleges receive.

    Of course, this is all 100% speculation. No one knows exactly what will be attempted, let alone done. Remember, no one person has the power to enact widespread change, not even the president. Our nation has a separation of powers for a reason, and anything money related is something that's left up to Congress. And as the saying goes, "it's going to take an act of Congress…."



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  • 11.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-01-2025 00:58

    No that's not how it would work. Money would not go directly to the states for public educations eliminating the "middle man". If the ED were eliminated the funds would have to be funneled to the states through other departments or they would be eliminated entirely. That would affect things like Pell Grants, Title IX, Supplemental Grants for low income students and work study programs. Congress can cut funding for the ED without eliminating it.  Trump cannot do that by executive order  

    Since states mostly operate on a balanced budget system, they could only make up that loss by eliminating something else or raising state revenues. Most likely public schools, and especially low income students, would suffer greatly as would programs that are currently considered "non-essential", like music and the arts apropos to Wim's concern. 

    However, you are correct that eliminating the ED can only be done by an act on Congress. That's also true with respect to creating a new DOGE that Muskaswami would like to use for that purpose. Easier said than done. 



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    www.davidlovepianos.com
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  • 12.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-01-2025 13:47

    Hi Wim,

    One can worry about what may or may not happen with any change in administration. However, I'd suggest that the real financial problem facing most colleges and universities is a long-term trend in declining enrollment. We have an aging population, just like most industrialized countries. People are choosing to have fewer children. Fewer young people are choosing to even go to college, especially young men. If they do go, they're interested more in more lucrative careers than music.

    Our local university, Southern Oregon University, is a good example: Declining enrollment, especially in music, has the school hanging by a thread. It's been that way for a while. (I'm not the technician, but I do work for other area schools.) One could argue that the state of Oregon--like many other states--doesn't need more than one collegiate music program. When I taught for a year at the University of Montana (the state funding of which, even in 2002, was below the legal limit for it to be a state school, by the way), I couldn't understand why Montana needed another music program at Montana State. Why would a rural western state with no professional music opportunities need two--or indeed ANY--music progams?

     There are WAY too many US colleges and universities aspiring to have serious music programs to begin with. We have a serious problem with the overproduction of classical musicians, most of whom will never make a full-time living in music. This goes all the way up to the doctoral level. I still can't believe how many fellow doctoral candidates  were in my program at Florida State. Many schools are just doctoral mills, churning out graduates with little hope of getting a tenure track job. Many schools, I'm convinced, have big music programs simply as vanity projects.

    I've taught at a number of schools, both public and private. College are not for those looking to make a lot of money--unless they are the football coach. Tenure-track music positions are both scarce and low-paying. Being an adjunct is fine for some who just love to teach (or are independently wealthy), but it's precarious and is unlikely to result in a full-time position.  

    In many ways, colleges are like mid-tier professional orchestras. Constantly scrapping over a budget, and never a sure thing. Over my violin career, I probably auditioned at over 30 orchestras around the country. In retrospect, I dodged many bullets. Many of those orchestras folded, closed up during the pandemic, or had pay cuts. Most are utterly dependent on the good graces of local wealthy patrons.

    If there's anything the pandemic should have taught us is, it's that it might be better to be in a kayak than the Titanic.

    Perhaps we should be letting our young/new technicians in on the CAUT reality: Yes, there might be a few well-paying CAUT jobs out there with big budgets, but don't put all your eggs in one basket. Colleges are what they are, and the situation is unlikely to change radically, no matter who the president is. 



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    rvpianotuner.com
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  • 13.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-01-2025 14:11

    Thank you for your brilliant and insightful post, Scott!

    You are spot-on about both the belt-tightening and over-abundance of higher education music programs. And it is not just students of classical music that are being trained for artistic careers that don't exist. The same is true of burgeoning singer-songwriter programs (which are in increasing demand, even while having no more professionally promising prospects than those catering to classical musicians).

    In recent years, art schools of various stripes have begun closing, some so abruptly as to catch students, faculty and staff by complete surprise. One low-residence program began selling off their buildings a few years back and eventually went "nomadic," utilizing the campuses of other schools during periods in which the host schools are not in session.

    As one of my older brothers astutely observed well over half a century ago, "Liberal arts education is not the way of the future." That sound advice didn't deter me from pursuing and achieving an advanced degree in music, with which I never expected to feed myself (much less a family!).

    How fortunate am I to be in a music-adjacent field that allows me the luxury of being ensconced in a school where I can observe, participate with and support others, far younger than I, brimming with idealism about a musicians' life. And it is deeply fulfilling to offer them an avenue to an arts-adjacent career as a viable alternative to attempting to "eat their music," so to speak.

    Happy New Year, y'all!

    Alan



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    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
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  • 14.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-01-2025 19:01

    Lots of wisdom here, thanks. The handwriting has been on the wall for quite some time.

    Looking at the situation tactically, perhaps one response might be to propose that the institutions mothball some of their inventory and apply the funds to properly maintain what remains. Rather than being put in a position of simply doing triage, one could concentrate on optimizing the higher quality, more essential instruments. That wouldn't make us more money (which isn't there anyway) but would probably save some time and energy.

    Looking to the long term, technicians should be acquiring skills to maintain hybrid instruments and the current generation of reproducing pianos. 



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  • 15.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-01-2025 21:31

    Or perhaps a different line of work altogether...

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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  • 16.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-02-2025 10:33

    There is another aspect to the declining enrollment problem. Universities rely more and more on enrolling foreign students. Something like one in six universities now get more than a third of their income from foreign students.  Those students pay very high tuitions and universities are generally planning greater levels of recruitment of foreign students over the next 5+ years to compensate for otherwise declining enrollment. Moreover, the something like 1.5 million foreign students  add significant amounts to local economies, approximately 40 billion dollars.

    Foreign students tend to focus more on STEM subjects or Business and less on subjects like music and the arts. This further incentivizes universities to put their energy and resources into subjects that help attract these high paying students and reduce resources for less "profitable" areas  

    This is where who the president is, in this case, may matter. If Trump's anti-immigration policies discourage foreign students from coming to the US, and there are some signs that this is happening, it will further reduce resources for the universities forcing them to make additional cuts to what are considered nonessential programs while also switching to non tenured adjunct faculty with lower pay and benefits. Add that to threats to the Dpt of Ed and the reduction of available grants for low income domestic students and the snowball effect can only have a very negative impact. That will affect not just the already growing numbers of unemployed music and arts graduates and other non STEM graduates, but  the individuals who rely on those programs for their livelihood, piano technicians being just one of that group. 

    It might also be worth noting that this shift has affected programs at the primary school level as well, including not only music and arts, but other courses which teach critical thinking skills, not to mention what used to be core subjects, such as civics, history, geography, literature, philosophy subjects essential in creating and maintaining an informed and engaged citizenry. 



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    www.davidlovepianos.com
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  • 17.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-02-2025 13:21

    Wouldn't it be best if the original poster (or moderators) move this thread to CAUT?
    Best regards,



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  • 18.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-02-2025 13:43
    Pat

    I originally cross posted this to CAUT

    Wim





  • 19.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-02-2025 17:21

    Patrick --

    No!

    While I do service pianos in schools I am by no means a CAUT technician so I seldom visit that group. I think isolating this thread to the CAUT group would be a disservice to many of us. I know that my reply, here, is taking this conversation off in an unrelated direction, and I apologize. But there are already too many groups for too many specialized conversations that, in my opinion, actually prevent us from learning and participating in conversations that we could all benefit from. Like this one about school funding. Cross posting is not the answer because it essentially creates two different conversations that demand visiting two different groups in order to get the full benefit of what amounts to two different threads about the same thing. Yes, my comments here should be a different thread in a different group, but if it were not for the example of this thread the context would be lost. The organization of the PTG forums is greatly in need of simplification. 



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  • 20.  RE: budget cuts

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-02-2025 21:04

    Actually, I think this topic is a good example of where cross posting works. There are those of us who do work for schools that have music programs and get the instruments serviced ad hoc or on short term contracts and then there are schools with big music departments that make a concerted effort to maintain them, often with  technicians in half or even full time staff positions. Departments that can afford to take a long term view and have many resources.

    One can see by reviewing the two threads how there are different considerations for the different classes of schools, by having this parallel conversation the two don't get muddled together. 

    It's not hard to hop over to the CAUT forum, the solutions for the big programs are quite different, I don't have anything to contribute but it is enlightening.



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