Baby wipes work quite well. Mine cover about 10 unisons - so CA 10 unisons, cover pins with a baby wipe and continue to the end.
Bob Anderson, RPT
Tucson, AZ
Original Message:
Sent: 7/5/2024 1:33:00 AM
From: David Pinnegar
Subject: RE: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
Joe! Thanks! You're a star! Will make sure I travel with one next time. In England it's always damp but in a place where 2000 year old temples are preserved, not a chance.
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Original Message:
Sent: 7/5/2024 1:26:00 AM
From: Joe Wiencek
Subject: RE: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
An atomized spritz of water, or even rubbing alcohol will help accelerate the cure. Or blowing on it (there’s water vapor in our exhalations.)
Rubbing alcohol will make the cure cloudy however, if appearance is an issue.
Joe Wiencek
NYC
Original Message:
Sent: 7/4/2024 11:07:00 AM
From: David Pinnegar
Subject: RE: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
Yes. Luckily no work happened to be necessary on this occasion. On the 19th century Broadwoods with threaded iron frame there is no access from the top. Bottom access for ÇA would only work if as a pin is screwed in, it bites into the new ÇA material so it would be a last resort where pins were probably unscrewed two turns so that upon retensioning they're going down and biting into the reduced diameter provided by the ÇA
This afternoon I'm plagued whilst revoicing by a previously broken and repaired hammer broken at the break again. ÇA has come to the rescue but in the dryness of Greece the glue is taking an age to set. Sadly no kettle on site to generate steam and I hadn't brought accelerator on the plane.
Patience is the only cure ...
Best wishes
David P
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Original Message:
Sent: 7/4/2024 8:45:00 AM
From: Peter Grey
Subject: RE: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
Yes, generally speaking the "problem area" is on the top side of the pinblock which widens with age (one needn't even tine the thing, it's the tension 24/7 that does it). "Less is more" in these instances (generally speaking) where only enough to restore enough torque to tune us needed. Soaking is unnecessary (unless it's a total basket case). I would never flip the piano to do this job...way too much risk for too little benefit.
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-03-2024 23:09
From: Gina Bonfietti
Subject: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
Hello David,
You mentioned, "might be to treat from underneath."
I flipped a grand on its lid side ( the lid was removed) and treated it from underneath; the results were underwhelming. I filled the tuning pin holes with glue and let it rest, flipped it back onto its feet a few days later, and the results were not impressive. I found better luck with treating from above.
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Gina Bonfietti, RPT
Connecticut
Original Message:
Sent: 07-02-2024 18:58
From: David Pinnegar
Subject: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
Many thanks to both. I've had good experience in the past and had packed a ÇA in a transparent container which looks very liquid and comes with a particularly controllable thin tube applicator. If it's in danger of being too thick it won't get through the tube
I noted on another Steinway B today that the pin holes go right through the wrest plank. Whilst normally one would treat from above a more radical approach, but not on a casual tuning might be to treat from underneath, slackening the pins by say 1/4 turn...
With the 19th century Broadwoods which had metal wrest plates with screw threaded holes and threaded pins this is the only way to do it
Using ÇA on a Steinway seems so implicitly irreverent so very appreciative to here others would do it too.
Many thanks
David P
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Original Message:
Sent: 7/2/2024 6:20:00 PM
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RE: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
David,
I concur with Wim, but I would like to add. I believe it is necessary to pay close attention to the expiration date. I don't purchase any CA that does not have an expiration date. Usually one-year is the shelf life on good industrial CA.
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Roger Gable RPT
Gable Piano
Everett WA
(425) 252-5000
Original Message:
Sent: 07-02-2024 17:37
From: Wim Blees
Subject: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
I've had limited experience with CA glue in pin blocks, but the ones I've done have worked. On one a pin was so loose it spun the hammer around, but after a couple of drops of CA glue, it held. It was not up to torque, but it held. I've done another piano where the pins in the whole bass part of the block were on the loose side, but still tunable, but were tight for tuning purposes after the CA treatment.
I believe CA is a good stop gap measure that can last several years. But I would certainly tell the owner that they should budget for a new block in a couple of years.
Original Message:
Sent: 7/2/2024 4:36:00 PM
From: David Pinnegar
Subject: CA for troubled concert Steinway?
Having travelled across Europe today to deal with a clutch of conservatoire and concert hall instruments I'm warned of a troublesome one tomorrow.
A Steinway used for outside concerts has been abused with wide variations of temperature and humidity.
A former conservatoire tech has "cured" loose pins by hammering them in about which the Director of the conservatoire was concerned, and I'm told that other ins are likely to be loose.
My gut feeling is that nothing short of a rebuild with new wrest plank is the real answer but we all know of the magic that ÇA treatment can bring. Is there any reason not to do it?
Best wishes
David P
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David Pinnegar BSc ARCS
Hammerwood Park, East Grinstead, Sussex, UK
+44 1342 850594
"High Definition" Tuning
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