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  • 1.  Halloween keyboard problems

    Posted 10-25-2024 07:17

    Count Dracula in his castle is having a particularly batty problem this year and causing rather a difficult time.

    In all seriousness there are venues where bats are thriving and in places causing significant damage with pellets and more importantly pee being thrown around the space.

    Where keyboards aren't covered, droplets of yellow bat pee on ivory keys are horrible. . . 

    Is there a safe way of bleaching or otherwise removing the stains from the ivories?

    Best wishes

    David P



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  • 2.  RE: Halloween keyboard problems

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-25-2024 09:10
    David

    Bat pee would be similar to cat pee, or pee from other animals. You can try to sand the stain out with extra fine wet and dry sandpaper, but I'm afraid the acid in the urine will "eat" into the ivory and go below the surface. 

    I had a similar situation once in a church. The choir director thought sanding would get rid of it. But by the time the stain was gone, she had sanded almost through the ivory. 

    Wim





  • 3.  RE: Halloween keyboard problems

    Posted 10-25-2024 18:55
    Thanks so much

    I've got an old ivory slither for testing but has anyone tried
    - bleach
    - caustic soda
    - pet stain remover?

    I tried hydrogen peroxide but to no avail

    I'll try to install an ultrasonic deterrent and leave the door open to try to encourage the bats to find somewhere else in the place

    Best wishes 

    David P

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  • 4.  RE: Halloween keyboard problems

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-25-2024 19:37

    You will need 40% peroxide available from beauty supply stores and ultraviolet light. Keep fallboards down!



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  • 5.  RE: Halloween keyboard problems

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-26-2024 20:38
    Hi the 40%peroxide for hair is the way to go.  I had a hair stylist that bleached all of his naturals 
    While glued to key sticks. He went into piano work after restoring his piano. I don't know the entire protocol.

    The factory ivory was done in the sun and I believe it was a slow process and they weren't glued to wood. 

    Maybe search the procedure on pianoworld?

    Jessica
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  • 6.  RE: Halloween keyboard problems

    Member
    Posted 10-25-2024 23:49

    That is a new one. A few pictures to see what this looks like would be interesting. I would proceed with caution and wear protective equipment when dealing with contamination like this . I had to deal with a mold issue on ivories and followed some protocols I found on a museum/conservation site. There are articles about bleaching ivory keys in the sun etc. The problem with liquids are the risk of curling the ivory, breaking the glue bond etc. You probably should consult with a pest control service to get the bats out and keep them out by trapping and plugging up entry points. Pet stain remover will probably cause damage and any urine that gets into the wooden keysticks will likely reek forever . A local museum or instrument collection curator may have some ideas



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  • 7.  RE: Halloween keyboard problems

    Posted 12-06-2024 13:06

    Thanks to all for advice. The hydrogen peroxide worked, reducing the stain. On the 1885 Bechstein with possible milder stains the treatment was particularly successful.

    Help has been much appreciated
    Best wishes and many thanks
    David P


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    David Pinnegar BSc ARCS
    Hammerwood Park, East Grinstead, Sussex, UK
    +44 1342 850594
    "High Definition" Tuning
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