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Piano industry heading off a cliff

  • 1.  Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-01-2025 10:24

    Dear Colleagues

    It's with sadness and shock that I learned today of Grotrian closing its factory and a few weeks ago I heard that Steinway is not working a full 5 day week.

    A headline in the UK papers publicised a performer setting up a concert to perform the same piece 820 times. This is not music - it's only sport. 

    Sport is optional. 

    Music as communication of emotion is essential. If it's essential and reaches the heart, then there will be reason for all to appreciate the teaching of it.

    Now for nearly two decades I've been researching, discovering and refining and have an answer to musicians to be able to convey better emotion. Upon being asked by musicians if they can perform at Hammerwood, I'm blunt in telling them that I'm only interested in musicians who appreciate more than tempo, dynamics and pitch but also key as an equivalently important part of the music as tonality which the composers wrote into their work. The microtonalism of key has been thrown away by modern tuning and the piano manufacturers are suffering now the result.

    Another Steinway Artist recently told me after I'd revoiced and tuned her Model M that she was now more in love with her instrument than ever since she bought it.

    Here's a London friend trying his instrument after tuning to the strongest general purpose tuning that one might dare

    Test of Steinway Model O piano in Kirnberger III unequal temperament

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    Test of Steinway Model O piano in Kirnberger III unequal temperament
    Testing a Model O Steinway in unequal temperament using Kirnberger III
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    This manner of tuning requires a special technique to achieve which differs from the commonly accepted norms. I've given the clues to a few colleagues confidentially and in particular Tim Foster who is having much success.

    I'm willing to work with any piano manufacturer willing to take on the tuning as a standard option and guarantee that if any instrument is tuned by Tim or I in a showroom, that instrument will be the one with which the best of musicians will fall in love inescapably.

    For its own survival, the industry has to focus on music, on emotion rather than merely technique and resulting sport. Perhaps we can bring manufacturers back from the brink.

    Best wishes

    David P



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    David Pinnegar BSc ARCS
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  • 2.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-01-2025 12:34

    You could add Schimmel and others to that list. There are millions of pianos waiting to restored or rebuilt. Save some trees and the climate.



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    Parker Leigh RPT
    Winchester VA
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  • 3.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-01-2025 17:50
    I have to wonder what is going to happen to everything from not just their factory but also their archives. 180 years is a rich history, especially with it having being founded by the original Steinway patriarch. Our industry just lost a HUGE part of piano history in the fire at the Bösendorfer archives in 2023. I hope that plenty from Grotrian-Steinweg will be preserved and shared publicly somehow. 





  • 4.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 02:12
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    At the risk of beating an already dead horse into eternity, I'd like to remind you all that I've been writing about this for years, decades even. I have long admired Grotrian pianos. The church in which my wife and I were married had a Baldwin Acrosonic and I was not going to be married to the lilting sounds of an Acrosonic so we moved a wonderful Grotrian in for the occasion. I'm not sure if we can entirely credit the piano but we're still married now, some 52 years later. 

    Still, I have to ask why Grotrian, along with most, if not all, modern piano makers have not given thought to the changing needs, wants, and desires of its customer base. I'm attaching a copy of an article published in the PTJ some years back. Even though my thinking has moved on some since this article was published I'd be interested in your feedback. 




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  • 5.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-02-2025 06:31
    Delwin - great article.

    But the bottom line remains that of priority of intent and heart. Music has got to be restored not to the status but the reality of conveyance of emotion, not mere sport.

    We've got to stop admiring note perfect recordings, constructed by computer, and encourage musicians to play from the heart and with whatever deviations mind or instrument give at the time and be happy with it. Recordings of live concerts, and live performances themselves are more valuable than the artificiality that the computer production is responsible for and recording onto onto magnetic tape which is a pain to edit if anyone wanted to. . . 

    Musicians have to be rewarded by the sound that they hear and discernment between keys and shocks of modulation that one gets in unequal temperament provide landmarks as anchors for modern concentration-challenged audiences to appreciate.

    The instrument has to sound better than an electronic. It has to resonate more, and move the heart more. Likewise the conventionally tuned piano sound is always moving, always grating and uncalm. As a result people prefer Buddhist singing bowls. But with the right tuning, we can restore calm to the sound and this is the purpose of the interaction of keys with tuning to unlock the doors of home. C major, F major, G major, Bb major - calm. This is a dimension with which most pianists are unfamiliar and they race through with their predetermined rush of notes becoming meaningless in any aspect beyond that of sport.

    By changing the tuning, we can change the industry, the educational establishments, the players and the appreciation of audiences, and the desires to be buyers.

    Best wishes

    David P


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  • 6.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 09:44
    In my humble opinion, we are the reason for the decline in new piano manufacturing. Just about every product we have in our house and garage has a limit life time. The refrigerator, the tv, the lawn mower, even our mattresses are worn out in 10 - 15 years, many even shorter than that. We have found that because of advances in technology, the new versions of those items are better than the old ones and costs a lot more to repair. 

    But not the piano. It's not unusual to have a 75-year-old piano still going strong. And then we come along and convince the owner we can make some adjustments, make some repairs, or even rebuild the piano, for a lot less money than a new piano, and it will continue to serve the customer for another 20 - 30 years. 

    When I first got in the business and worked for a dealer, the owner told his competition wasn't the other dealers in town, (at time there were 3 or 4 of them all with multiple stores throughout the city), but the used piano market. Everyday there were no less than a dozen or more pianos for sale in the newspaper. And, he said, that didn't even include the private sales between relatives and neighbors. 

    Add to that the work we do to keep old pianos going, and basically the market is saturated. I'm not suggesting we stop doing what we're doing, but it's something to consider when we talk about the decline of manufacturing in the US and Europe. 

    Wim









  • 7.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 12:42

    Saturated market because one can take their old tv for recycling, the old coffee pot and pots and pans to the dumpster. The old knackered piano $400-600 to the landfill. That's too much money, I'll post it on marketplace.



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    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
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  • 8.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 13:41
    And then it gets bought by someone who thinks it will only cost a few bucks to repair. Then they call a "piano tooner" who tells them for $50 I can tune it repair the broken keys, and they believe him. But then find out it's not $50 but $500, and so they sell it on Craigs list, and the cycle starts again. And that's because there are some piano tooners who think they know what they's doing, (but really don't) but need the money, thinking they can fix anything. And the cycle continues. That's why the market is saturated. 

    Wim





  • 9.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-03-2025 13:36
    Among my new clients in the past two years I have been keeping an informal tally of where and when they got their pianos. 80-90% of them got them for free…..and most of them paid too much! That includes grandpa's hand-me-down, the neighbor's yard sale, and various social media sites.
    I am almost ready to refuse to service spinets and early 20th-century uprights more than once. At that visit, I take time to explain what they have and why they might consider upgrading to a better instrument. Not everyone wants to hear this, but the typical person, even many good musicians, is clueless about what they have. Shouldn’t it be our responsibility to educate them? When I have had a sub-standard or worn out home appliance like a washing machine the service person never hesitated to tell me so. Be kind, understanding, compassionate, and professional in delivering this information.

    I realize that I am fortunate to live in a mostly affluent community, however I offer help to find a better piano for those who are financially stretched.
    Almost all my clients have thanked me.

    Regards,
    ~ jeannie

    Jeannie Grassi
    PTG Registered Piano Technician
    Bainbridge Island, WA
    206-842-3721
    grassipianos@gmail.com




  • 10.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-04-2025 11:56

    Jeannie - that's an excellent observation.  Whenever a new customer contacts me, I always ask how old the piano is, when it was last tuned, and if it needs anything besides tuning, which I assume is something like standard procedure among techs.  (It's amazing how often people say "oh just tuning," and it turns out that some note has an action problem, etc.)  If the piano is more than 60 years old, I tell them that I can't quote a flat fee for tuning - it's my service call fee plus an hourly fee.  If they don't know, I'll have them find the serial number.  I make it clear that there is no guarantee of success, and even if I leave it in worse shape than I started, there is still a fee.  People rarely turn this down, and if they do, I'm happy not to work for them.  Most of the old pianos work out fine, although not optimal of course.  I'm able to tune it, fix a few little problems, and it ends up sounding sorta like a piano that is kinda in tune.  The psychology works in my favor.  I tell them the outcome might be catastrophic, so if it ends up working out OK, I'm a hero.  If it is indeed a catastrophe, well, they were fairly warned.  I don't mind to much working on the old, cruddy instruments if the expectations are very clear.

    And whenever someone has a marginal piano that their child is playing, I ask how far along the child is.  If the kid shows promise, I encourage them to consider getting a much better piano within a few years, and to actually spend some money to buy a decent used piano for several thousand bucks.  Gosh - maybe a new one!  I'm realistic about this - it will rarely be less than a year or two, so I don't push it.






  • 11.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-04-2025 13:12
    Dear Jeanie and Loren

    Yes - I agree about people expecting music to emerge from terrible instruments - and actually this is why I tune for the best and, rather than modifying my tuning for a 3rd rate instrument to sound better, I don't compromise and if the instrument sounds terrible I tell the customer that it's not a good instrument. 

    However, all of this misses the point. The fact is that the sounds that are coming from pianos as they have been conventionally tuned and particularly in the past 50 years where even aural tuning is adjudged against electronic reference, have allowed pianists to become separated from the playing and communication of emotions. 

    Only when the scale is changed to reward pianists who are listening to the sounds will emotion and essential communication of emotion will be restored to the piano. Until that time pianists are going forward playing the notes and not the music, only performing in sport rather than essential human communication and while such a situation persists, the imperative to buy and learn the piano will be no more than that to buy and race a horse.

    Music must come from the heart, from the vibrations, from the strings and not merely from the agility of fingers. The commercial forces of the current direction need to be diverted.

    It's not just a matter of ensuring the destruction of 3rd rate instruments. It is also, however, a matter of persuading parents that their children can only learn music in the production of beautiful sound, and that means a well voiced instrument well tuned. And if the home keys are tuned to sound irresistibly beautiful the children will want to make those sounds.

    Best wishes

    David P


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  • 12.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-04-2025 13:17
    I agree with these observations.
    Don't forget the number of tunings you get because of minor annoyances: sticky keys, pedals not working, mouse nests...
    If not for these, some pianos would never get tuned.

    It is an opportunity to educate: environment, student ear training, life span of a piano kept at proper tension.
    Nancy Salmon, RPT





  • 13.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-03-2025 12:35

         I had a friend who many years ago worked for his father, a Baldwin dealer.  His job was  to deliver their new pianos.  If he took a used instrument in trade, he was instructed to take it to the dump and be sure  to bring back a piece of the plate.  This was to insure that the piano never found its way to the secondary used market.  One way to do it.  



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  • 14.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-03-2025 13:18
    Mike - Yes - great - but destruction of second hand instruments misses the point. In the UK, and elsewhere, piano music is not being appreciated and it is not taught and the result is that there is decreasing demand for pianos. 

    A reason - and I don't say it's the only reason, but merely a significantly important one - is that the music has failed to speak, to speak to the heart, to be the means of communication of emotion. 

    Put another way, if the industry - and that includes you and me as tuners, manufacturers and players who more often than not are paid a pittance - wants to continue into terminal decline it can do exactly as it has done on the last 50 years of decline. If it wants to thrive an option is there to do something anew and to bring life, and emotion, back into the music. Music being vibrations has to start with the tuning and the twelfth root of two is artificial and bears no relation to anything that the natural world experiences. The performances that we hear have descended in many instances to such a collection of notes which entirely bypass the music. 

    Here's a better performer of the genre, well respected nationally but murdering the Moonlight
    And the result? OK - perhaps it was good by conventional standards. But what do we _feel_ listening to this performance? Can we see a mirror smooth lake with the moonlight reflecting in it? 

    https://youtu.be/t-nvS5m8cko?t=1491 might be a comparator from an international Steinway Artist.

    Incidentally the first example is a Model O in a large school venue recorded from the back. Does it sound like a small underpowered instrument in this context? 

    The tuning can actually put the instrument onto steroids and improve its sound and carrying. Here's a Model B, played by a Steinway Artist, also recorded at the back of a theatre 
    https://youtu.be/wV3jOOt66kY?t=2962 Does this sound like a Model B? Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH1dhrPGHoI also a Model B?

    By focus on the vibrations and the way in which they can interlock the existing instrument can be improved and can dazzle all the more not only in power but also in musicality.

    The industry need not fall over the cliff, but it needs us who tune the vibrations and the manufacturers willing to listen up to steer it back away from the edge.

    Incidentally, in attempting to raise interest in tuning with manufacturers, Schimmel is certainly one who doesn't want business through their website. https://www.schimmel-pianos.de/en/kontakt/ won't accept any incoming communication without an instrument number inserted in their online form. 

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 15.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-04-2025 13:28

    For me, since I'm not taking it to the dump I ask if I can take the action for "spare parts". Then find space in my trash for it.



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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
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  • 16.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 14:21

    I entered the piano industry in 1988, as an apprentice in a large piano store.  We had Steinway, Baldwin, Kawai and Samick.  We were selling pianos like hotcakes.  At least a Steinway a month, two or three Baldwins a week, same with Kawai.  A couple Samicks a day, all different models.  There were 3 apprentices, our mentor and another experienced tech.  We couldn't keep up with the tunings.  They'd go out in a box, delivered unprepped.  After the Gulf War, the whole atmosphere changed.  There was a recession.  Steinway came out with the Boston, to compete with the KG series.  We couldn't sell enough of either one, so they both went to other stores.  Since that time, as on a sinking ship, the water gradually came over the gunnels over the following years.  Eventually we went out, at least two changes of ownership in between.  In my opinion, since the introduction of cheap Korean and Chinese pianos, the American brands have declined.  Baldwin had to go to China after Gibson tried hard to keep it going in the US, and finally gave up.  I can only imagine that the whole piano manufacturing sector in the US and Europe has taken a hit from all the cheap pianos coming from Asia.  Add to that the economic conditions, the Internet booms, real estate crashes, bubbles, bailouts, rate cuts, etc., that have muddied the waters.  Piano sales are like the coal mine canary.  Pianos are not a necessity, but a luxury item.  So when the economy is weak, piano sales go down too.  And never mind the rebuilding shops that have gone out because it's cheaper to buy a new Asian piano than to rebuild Grandma's piano.  Those shops are where many newbies learned the trade.  The store where I worked shed nearly all the full time techs, and my job went away too, except we made an agreement that any outside work I did through the store we would profit-share.  But even that didn't work out, and the store ended in a fire sale.  With Yamaha's part ownership of Bosendorfer and other arrangements, it's just a sign of the times.  Somebody's going to buy the Grotrian name and make them in China, just like the Falconi and other brands that are made there (Baldwin).  The tariffs that are coming are too little too late, IMHO, but whatever.  Don't want to bring up politics.  If these companies are dwindling or going out, there's still enough demand for somebody to make them, even if theyr'e all made in Asia.  I don't think it's the end of piano manufacturing, just those makers whose sales are too low to continue.  Just wait for Samick corp to start making Grotrians in Korea.  Even if every piano maker went belly up, we'd still have enough work and more.

    My .02 cents.



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    Paul McCloud, RPT
    Accutone Piano Service
    www.AccutonePianoService.com
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  • 17.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 15:02

    Paul,

    Do you know that the Falcone name was bought by the concern in China that now makes pianos under that name?

    Alan



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
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  • 18.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 15:13

    Yes, though I'm not sure the current situation.  When I worked at the store, we sold George Steck, manufactured by Sejung.  I think they also made the Falcone after the original company went out.  It's hard to keep up!  Before our store went out, we had Nordiska.  They eventually sold the factory to Baldwin, but they aren't Nordiskas.  I'm not sure that Nordiskas are made anymore.  Who knows, maybe somebody will resurrect that name too.  It was originally a company from Netherlands I believe.



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    Accutone Piano Service
    www.AccutonePianoService.com
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  • 19.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 16:19

    First of all, regarding Grotrian. It has been owned by The Parsons Group, Hong Kong since 2015 who added a Chines-made line using the Grotrian name. Here's a link to a story about the bankruptcy (there's a chance Parsons might reopen the German operation after it emerges from bankruptcy). In fact many storied brands both European and American have been bought up by Asian concerns. I think better that than them having disappeared entirely; Bösendorfer comes to mind. 

    Grotrian is a bit of an outlier in that it represents the 1% of the 1% in terms of production quality and quantity. Closing down the European factory entailed letting off all of 31 employees. So while it's a cultural loss, in the larger industrial scheme of things it's not even a drop in the bucket.

    I agree with Wim to an extent, all acoustic instruments historically have been made to be completely disassembled and restored. But again, I see the entry of Asian manufacturers and capital to be a boon to the industry. In my region, the pianos that are going to the landfill the most are post world war II entry level pianos, they are literally coming apart at the seams. America simply lost interest in making highly refined instruments such as pianos. Once they got up and running, Asian manufacturers, following the Japanese lead, are making entry and mid level pianos far superior to what America was producing in the last quarter of the 20th century. At the same time, the growth market for new piano sales is in Asia and has been for quite a while; the market being about 4 times the size of the North American market and by no means saturated with an inventory built up over the last 125 years. When the Chinese market shrunk post-pandemic it sent Yamaha scrambling due to a reduction of revenue, their stock went down by almost half.

    More later, I have a piano to tune.

     



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  • 20.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-02-2025 17:39
    With due respect to all, it's not the hardware that's the problem but one that's more serious - the software.

    The software is the education, the people who play and why they play, and the essential necessity or not of playing.

    Whilst the industry worships autistic players who worship the dots on the page but don't understand emotion to convey, the result will be only optional sport. Speed, technique, animal excitement. The nightclub does that better.

    With the piano we have to go back to basics, to why we are making or maintaining the hardware, and rejigging it to enable better nuances of the software it can support.

    Here's a young lad for whom I tuned last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kau_f51ZpXk . See his smile! We can put that smile on the faces of audiences and then they will be more keen to encourage their children to learn. Whoopee! Back in business.

    Best wishes

    David P


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  • 21.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 17:57
    David

    I don't know how it is in the UK, but here in the States, most college music departments are at full capacity. Those kids have to be learning music somewhere before they get to college. I agree that many schools cut back on music education, but there are still lots of schools that have great music departments, offering a full curriculum of band, orchestra, chorus and music education. 

    Wim





  • 22.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-02-2025 18:58
    Wim - that's good news, although I've heard, possibly here that even in the US there are too many music schools turning out graduates for whom there isn't enough work. However, I'm not in the US and not qualified to comment so please take that observation with a pinch of salt.

    Certainly in the UK the situation is dire. State schools haven't taught piano in decades. Drums and guitars are favoured, at best, and it's only private schools where children have access to pianos and the government has just imposed Value Added Tax at 20% or so on fees so causing many children to be pulled out of private schools and the schools are closing. They've been closing for some time and one, a casualty of Covid particularly https://www.latrobeheritage.org.uk/save-ashdown has more than a passing interest for more than American musicians. Music and the arts in England have near collapsed. 

    If the USA is apparently better, please don't rely on it. The forces upon our civilisations are the same. If it hasn't happened yet or now, it will do in the future.

    In France the situation is rather better. Regional orchestras are nationally state sponsored and the number of concerts and music festivals is healthy. In Greece, however, musicians are good but Conservatoires have had budget cuts and not been able to pay their way. It's all very patchy. And then there's the more corrosive factor that modern electronic music is more exciting with flashing lights, even to the middle aged https://clubdefromage.com/.

    Because current studentship is generations away from those who Beethoven, Bach or Chopin taught, nuances have become diluted. Seymour Bernstein is one of my heros https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRLBBJLX-dQ and a pianist for whom I tune is in his mould as well also as that of Paul Badura-Skoda. But competition judges are choosing the false god of "accuracy" and "technique" over that of musical emotional communication and in worship of a Goddess called Angela who plays an Italian brand of instrument who plays Mendelssohn as if Prokofiev - and clearly hasn't sung a note in her life - and plays the Appassionata without passion, doesn't know what it is. Meanwhile in the recent Florida Chopin competition there was a technically admirable woman who played Mazurkas clearly without having been to Poland to dance one, and therefore with the wrong rhythm. I love the "English spoken as Chinese" series videos https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QnRCcoNVMA8 which really highlight https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Mpkdz6Zr9oc how emotional communication of music has become equally unintelligible.

    Music has pitch, tempo, dynamics . . . but more. It has keys - and with restoration of the tuning which was inherent to pianos whilst the instrument and its repertoire were developing, those keys unlock doors to different rooms - different sounds, moods - and surprises. To the musical performer, the modulations are the cornerstones and landmarks in the narrative through which the music is leading. But the keys have been erased with high speed trains traversing the valleys and boring through the tunnels of hills without regard for the landscape.

    We're aware that the likes of Facebook turns the perspective of product on its head. In the illusion that it is the product and we are the users, we wake up to find that we are the product. In the same way, the Brand pianos in the 1880s with cross stringing appeared to  be the product. But the increasingly equal temperament grating with the ET thirds caused the whole instrument to glisten in sound and we were to become bedazzled. The players and the audiences became the product and the playing adapted progressively accordingly. The Competitions and their judges became the product of the manufacturers, not of the music. The junk noise of the dazzling glistening sound caused so much confusion players ceased to use sustain to sustain, and hardly dared leave the sustain pedal down beyond the end of each note.

    There's something about the development of piano tone juggling 3rd and 5th harmonics which occured in the 19th century but that's another story. By moving away from the current tuning back to the tunings based on historic principles, we can start to return to the players the aural cues for any good musician who listens to follow. In doing so the music will convey, and become an essential deep experience with which other pastimes, let alone sport or the nightclub, cannot compete.

    Yes we can achieve Yoga in the sound of the piano in the home keys and those keys, being the keys with which beginners start, can make a beautiful sound with which people can and do fall in love. When we reduce the glistening of the sound, the noise of beat frequencies everywhere all over the place, and put the beats upon particular notes and which composers exploited, we can get those notes to sing. Singing is the heart of music.

    The piano can do it, and when it does prosperity, of the industry and of the hearts of the listeners, will thrive.

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 23.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 19:37
    David

    As in most majors, just because they get a degree in that field doesn't necessarily mean they are going to get a job in that field. But the fact that they are studying music means that they will have the opportunity to use the skills they learned in their post college life. I earned a degree, (and graduated degree) in music education, with French Horn as my instrument. I taught school for 6 years and played my horn for another 4, but the education I received stayed with me for the rest of my life. I've been a church choir director and my educational training gave me the opportunity to teach classes at a lot of seminars. 

    It's not ideal over here, but, as I said before, there is a lot of work for piano tuners here. During Covid I had more work than ever because people stayed home and played the piano. I believe the passion is there, but people just don't have the time to devote to the love of music as much as they want. 

    All is not lost

    Wim





  • 24.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Posted 02-03-2025 07:10
    Dear Wim

    Thanks - and it's actually a background in horn and organ playing that has led me also to tuning as well as finding the "non-standard" intervals of the harmonic series very beautiful.

    But in Europe the forces to which I have pointed have led to the decline of manufacturing so catastrophic as to have caused one legendary manufacturer to close and another to be working a four day week.

    If these forces haven't come to the US yet, please, I'm sorry to say, be assured - they will.

    In my analysis I referred to the worship of a performer playing the Appassionata - this was in error - it was the Pathetique she was performing and without understanding of pathos. Technique, imposition of ego, awkward ego, and a mixture of Martian and some other incomprehensible language was the result. It wasn't the telling of the aural story intended by the composer. Without tuning and reward for listening, pianists have lost their guide and come out with a jumble of notes and miss the music.

    In more conventional terms I've heard colleagues referring to "vertical" playing and not playing "the line".

    The tuning and the Brand pianos which have exploited the equal tuning have turned the performers into their products, and together with those who have consumed such sound, relying on themselves rather than the music to sell the means of selling their product. If instead of relying on the music to be the product, the sound and the tuning of the vibrations of that sound to relate to emotion, giving focus on making their instruments to facilitate the music the fortunes of emotion-music, which is what the piano should be, can be reversed to the upside.

    We vibrate. Our hearts vibrate. Signals in our brains have rhythm. If we equalise out all our heart vibrations for instance, so that our hearts cannot rest we cannot sleep nor pump faster when we exercise. The vibrations of sound are fundamental to our being and even when people's brains have near completely shut down by reason of injury, disablement or near death, our brains respond to music. Music is the last thing that goes even when all other senses have become minimal. It is that essential to our being and the music that we experience is rhythm on the macro scale, the repetition of pitch, and fundamentally the vibrations of pitches in sequence and combined. Twelth-root-two has no connexion with nature but the ratios of well designed unequal tunings dance around congruence and release.

    To all traditional scales, the scale of an equal tempered piano is an abhorrence and there is merit in observation of traditional dance, a manifestation of movement as vibration personified on a macro scale. When we observe the traditional dance on Greek vases from antiquity, we see the endurance of the dance vibrating left and right and then cogging towards the centre before unlocking from the inner cog, rotating, vibrating and then rotating into a new cogging position. https://youtu.be/QXS3-eRe0c4?t=207

    In one of Bach's 48, Bach does the same, locking into harmony, unlocking with unrelated vibrations in unequal temperament, before moving chromatically and locking into a different harmonic accordance.

    Variations are the essence of life, and which modern tuning has ironed through and eradicated. It has sterilised the life of music and sterilisation leads to non-existence. Piano performance has been dessicated of emotion and a variation of the scale is necessary to unlock the keys to the lubrication to allow it to revive.

    By bringing variations back into the scale, we can get keys to unlock doors to the different emotions and bring popularity of the piano back to the level of a Greek dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXS3-eRe0c4

    Best wishes

    David P


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  • 25.  RE: Piano industry heading off a cliff

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2025 17:44

    Yes, it's sad that Grotrian has gone out of business.  How common are they in Europe?  I have only seen a handful here in the U.S.

    I would say that the industry is not actually heading off a cliff.  Piano manufacturing has been on a decline for almost a century, and Grotrian is the latest indication of that.  When I get philosophical about this, I realize that decades ago, millions of parents forced their children to take piano lessons whether or not they had any interest in it.  I realize that some of them eventually learned to love playing the piano, or the general musical skill they acquired from the piano contributed to other musical endeavors, but I also know that some of them might have developed another skill with all the hours they wasted being made to play an instrument they had no interest in.  On the one hand, I might lament the decline of an industry.  On the other, I don't lament the fact that so many children are not now being forced to learn something they don't want to.

    I am fortunate to be in the business of servicing pianos instead of building them.  My business certainly isn't in a decline, although of course our trade overall is in decline - there are fewer of us now than several decades ago.  My attitude at this point in my career (I'm 63) is that there are still plenty of people who love pianos, and they much prefer to have a real piano over an electronic version.  These are the folks who are the core of my business.  When it comes to the future of my business, I don't worry about my income year-to-year, but it's a bummer that my business may not be worth anything as something to acquire for a younger person entering the trade.  I have heard of several folks who tried unsuccessfully to sell their business when they planned to retire.  So it goes.