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Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

  • 1.  Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2023 20:52

    Hello,

    I finally have all the strings, and am ready to restring my grand piano.  I pre-drilled the pinblock, so I am trying to figure out the best way to align the holes in the tuning pin bushings to the holes in the Delignit pinblock. I am thinking about taking a right angle drill and coming in through the bottom of the pinblock with a slightly smaller diameter drill bit. I would intentionally dull the bit under the tip portion to decrease the risk of enlarging the pinblock holes. Am I on the right track or doing it the hard way? Any tips, tricks or methods would be appreciated.

     Thanks!



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    Tim Foster
    New Oxford PA
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  • 2.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Posted 04-07-2023 21:14

    Pre drilling the tuning pin holes before mating to the flange? You could be in trouble.

    -chris



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  • 3.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2023 21:25
    Tim

    Explain how you pre-drilled the pin block.  Did you fit the plate flange, then held the block in place with four or five big clamps to hold the block to the plate? Then did you drill dimples in the block using the webbing of the plate as guides? Then took the block off the plate and, using a drill press and an angled platform, drill the holes using a pin block drill for a OO tuning pin?

    If you didn't do that, then you're not going to able to aligning the holes in the block to the holes in the plate. 

    WIm





  • 4.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2023 21:32

    Sorry for the confusion. Yes, Wim, I used the procedure you described exactly. I only meant that I am not drilling the pinblock through the plate after I installed it. 



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    Tim Foster
    New Oxford PA
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  • 5.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2023 21:37
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    This is what it looks like:



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    Tim Foster
    New Oxford PA
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  • 6.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2023 21:50
    Tim

    Put in the pinblock bushings and then string the piano. The bushings will give way to allow the pin to go in the pinblock hole. There is no need to drill out the bushings. 

    Wim





  • 7.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2023 22:17

    Wim, you just saved me many hours of work, thank you! 😊



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    Tim Foster
    New Oxford PA
    (470) 231-6074
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  • 8.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2023 07:52

    The holes in some TP bushings are smaller than some others, and the hardness of bushings varies from supplier to supplier. My personal preference is to (after installing in plate) use a drill bit a little smaller than the TP hole and just quickly touch the bushing so the bit goes through and enlarges the hole to just under the bore size. (There's a name in the machinist world for this procedure but I can't think of it right now).

    I have found that this makes my stringing work a little easier and the bushing still does its job, particularly if



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 9.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2023 12:11
    Some more things to consider, could another option be to not use bushings at all? Some famous makers do this. Perhaps the thickness of the plate in the tuning pin field is a factor wether to use bushings or not. Some bushings are harder than others and the hole diameters may also vary. I have had bushings split when driving tuning pins. I have heard it said many times that the bushing is a ‘guide’ for the drill. I have also heard discussion that the bushings can compensate for a poorly fit pinblock to plate flange.

    Jonathan Moberg
    Moberg Piano Sales & Service
    414-962-2227
    mobergpiano.com




  • 10.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2023 13:09

    My understanding is that there is a fundamental difference in principle between bushed and non-bushed pinblock/plate mating. 

    A non-bushed plate transfers the entire stress load to the plate flange, therefore requiring a very close fit throughout to donits job as designed. The bushed plate spreads the stress load out between all 230 or so tuning pin holes, and in effect actually pulls the pinblock away from the flange slightly making block/flange fit less critical.  The height of the coil on the tuning pins also has some effect on this, the higher they are the more pull back. Nonetheless I still shoot for as good a fit as I can get when I replace a block no matter whether bushings exist or not. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 11.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2023 13:21
    What is the thickness of the plate webbing of a Steinway, compared to the thickness of the webbing on pianos that have bushings? 





  • 12.  RE: Tuning pin bushing hole alignment

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-09-2023 07:52

    I recall Willis Snyder said that he tried converting a Steinway (unbushed) design to a bushed design, enlarging the holes to accept the bushings. He said it was a failure. Though I forget now precisely what he said happened as a result, I do believe that it was Willis that pointed out the fundamental design difference in these two construction methods. I do recall him saying he would never do it again. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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